Celica ST 1991 rebuild + 4AGE swap

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Celica ST 1991 rebuild + 4AGE swap

Postby Floyd » Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:48 pm

Hi everyone, this is my little project of my Celi, that I bought several years ago as my daily car. It wasn´t in good shape really, so I started to fix it almost immediately :D Here are some pix I took over few years during the rebuild...hope you´ll enjoy :-)

Some body work..
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More to come...
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Re: Celica ST 1991 rebuild + 4AGE swap

Postby joel23 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:54 pm

ur car looks good ... ready to see more updates....

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Re: Celica ST 1991 rebuild + 4AGE swap

Postby Agent Joe » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:52 pm

That's a pretty color! what's it called? what is it off of?
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Re: Celica ST 1991 rebuild + 4AGE swap

Postby trigun402 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:06 pm

Needs more pictures. ;)

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Re: Celica ST 1991 rebuild + 4AGE swap

Postby Floyd » Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:16 pm

Agent Joe wrote:That's a pretty color! what's it called? what is it off of?

I remember, that I just picked one from the colour chart, but I don´t now it´s name, if it has any :-) I only have the code, if that helps. 08-02-020.

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Re: Celica ST 1991 rebuild + 4AGE swap

Postby Floyd » Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:45 pm

Brakes update :-)
I threw away the original brakes and got the stock ones from ST185, which are slightly bigger. Also converted to 5-stud hubs and disks at the rear.

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Re: Celica ST 1991 rebuild + 4AGE swap

Postby EJ86 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:24 am

engine shots of this "Celica-rolla"
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Re: Celica ST 1991 rebuild + 4AGE swap

Postby Floyd » Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:54 am

be patient, I´ll get to it :-) There is still 4AFE inside however. Here is a random photo I found...
The 4AGE is almost ready, just waiting for some bits. I´m expecting to put it in during january. I ´ll post next photos from machine shop soon..

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Time to replace worn out suspension bushes with new PUR ones from Prothane. All arms and other parts were sanded, zinc coated and painted.

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Re: Celica ST 1991 rebuild + 4AGE swap

Postby Clouds » Thu Dec 26, 2013 2:54 pm

Nice build, man. Keep up the updates!
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Re: Celica ST 1991 rebuild + 4AGE swap

Postby Floyd » Fri Jan 03, 2014 5:48 pm

The 4AGE story...
Got an early 3-rib Bluetop with unknown km from a junk AE82. It was an european version with MAP sensor and 10:1 pistons with stock power around 125 HP(?is that right??). It was pretty dirty, though...At first I wanted to simply rebuild the engine and remain it within the stock spec, but the plan has changed... ;) I decided to push it further in 170+ hp area.

Stock Bluetop as I bought it
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Short block assembly...The 4AFE engine in Celica has stronger 7-rib bare block, so we used it instead. We applied glyptal inside of the block, which makes the surface smooth and allow faster oil return to the pan.

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Early bluetop crankshaft before we sent it to be machined and ballanced
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Wiseco hicomp pistons, bore 81.50. They needed to be machined to the same weight, cuz they were off over 5 grams from the lightest to the heaviest.
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Custom Molnar 40/20 H-beam rods to match the early 40mm rod journal crankshaft with 20mm pin pistons.
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Custom billet steel ladder bars to reinforce the main caps
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Re: Celica ST 1991 rebuild + 4AGE swap

Postby TORPARTS » Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:43 am

great work!
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Re: Celica ST 1991 rebuild + 4AGE swap

Postby Grant » Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:57 am

Wow, great work. I like how you're cleaning up every part you take off or replace.
Is zinc coating expensive?

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Re: Celica ST 1991 rebuild + 4AGE swap

Postby Floyd » Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:07 pm

Thanks for all the positive comments guys ;)
Grant wrote:Is zinc coating expensive?

It´s quite cheap actually. It depends on the weight of the parts you put in the bath. I paid around 50 bucks for everything in the post above.

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Re: Celica ST 1991 rebuild + 4AGE swap

Postby Floyd » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:14 pm

Got news from machine shop. Head is nearly finished, just needs little porting after fitting new tungsten valve seats. They are oversize to accommodate 7MGTE valves. Still vaiting for Kelford 193-B cams (284/278 Duration, 9.20mm/8.50mm Lift).

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Re: Celica ST 1991 rebuild + 4AGE swap

Postby Floyd » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:48 am

Kelford 193-B cams finally arrived. Need to meassure all the clearances and order 1SZ solid lifters.

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Re: Celica ST 1991 rebuild + 4AGE swap

Postby 1992at180 » Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:46 pm

hey floyd i have a 92 st and i am about to do this same project basically. i have been told that the 4afe has a crank drilled oil spot at 90 degrees and it cannot hold over 150hp safely...have you had any problems since you took it to about 170hp?

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Re: Celica ST 1991 rebuild + 4AGE swap

Postby Floyd » Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:29 pm

engine isn´t finished yet. Still waiting for head assembly, hopefully next week... There is early 4AGE crankshaft inside 4AFE block,(they are all the same, as it is still 4A), so I don´t expect any issues here.

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Re: Celica ST 1991 rebuild + 4AGE swap

Postby HingaSPL » Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:24 pm

Love the engine porn, keep it coming ;)
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Re: Celica ST 1991 rebuild + 4AGE swap

Postby 1992at180 » Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:36 pm

ok cool thanks floyd for the response. im changing mine up from yours just a bit tho because im planning on turboing mine next year. so im getting 193t cams, acl race,main and rod bearings, aem ems4 ecu,(im getting new crankshaft ladders and rods just not sure what yet) custom low compression pistons, complete multi layer steel rebuild kit smallport 4age head, rebuilding the c52 transmission with stage2 clutch..and ive already put in a tmw short throw shifter, st suspension rear sway bar, 16 inch motegi rims 205/55/16 fuzion tires, polyurethane bushings, and about to do megan racing coilovers, and new tie rods control arms and trailing arms. then getting the minor body problems fixed and painting it. then getting racing seats eventually with a carbon dipped dash, door panels and center console. hopefully it will all be done in a few years..lol

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Re: Celica ST 1991 rebuild + 4AGE swap

Postby stevegolf » Mon Feb 10, 2014 2:54 pm

Looks great, really like the color you picked.

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Re: Celica ST 1991 rebuild + 4AGE swap

Postby Floyd » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:47 am

everything takes much longer than expected, can´t wait to see the engine running ;)
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ARP head studts
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Re: Celica ST 1991 rebuild + 4AGE swap

Postby ariel_86 » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:36 pm

I'm sure if you're aware, but the ARP stud on the exhaust side, number 1, will interfere with the stock distributor in the head. The ARP stud is longer than the OEM headbolts and will catch on the end of the distributor shaft. Be cautious about that and take appropriate measures.
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Re: Celica ST 1991 rebuild + 4AGE swap

Postby Floyd » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:16 am

ariel_86 wrote:I'm sure if you're aware, but the ARP stud on the exhaust side, number 1, will interfere with the stock distributor in the head. The ARP stud is longer than the OEM headbolts and will catch on the end of the distributor shaft. Be cautious about that and take appropriate measures.


You´re right, thank you for reminding me ;) Distributor shaft has to be slightly modified to clear the ARP head stud. However, I´m going to use distributor with stock ecu just for brake in time. After that I´ll switch to DLI setup with coils and fully programmable stand alone ecu with agressive map. I´ve got Master Ignition from IMF Soft. http://imfsoft.com/en/hardware/zapalova ... i-cdi-v8-0

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Re: Celica ST 1991 rebuild + 4AGE swap

Postby ariel_86 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:31 pm

Floyd wrote:You´re right, thank you for reminding me ;) Distributor shaft has to be slightly modified to clear the ARP head stud. However, I´m going to use distributor with stock ecu just for brake in time. After that I´ll switch to DLI setup with coils and fully programmable stand alone ecu with agressive map. I´ve got Master Ignition from IMF Soft. http://imfsoft.com/en/hardware/zapalova ... i-cdi-v8-0

If I can help another member to avoid chewing up an exhaust cam and/or destroying a distributor, then I'm glad to help.

That Master Ignition system looks intriguing. I'm going to spend some time looking over that.

And BTW, love what you've done with your Celica and I'm very excited to see your build progress. Keep up the good work!
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Re: Celica ST 1991 rebuild + 4AGE swap

Postby Floyd » Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:00 pm

picked up the egine last week... :-)

Engine spec:
7-rib block
CR 12:1
early "small" crankshaft
Molnar technologies H-beam 40/20 rods
Wiseco pistons 81,50mm
Custom forged ladder bars
ARP hardware (mains, head, flywheel)
OEM oil pump

Bigport head, (skimmed, ported)
OS valve seats with 7MGTE valves (32mm IN, 27,5mm EX)
1SZFE solid lifters
HKS valve springs
HKS timing belt
adjustable cam gears
Kelford camshaft, 193-B (284° 9,20mm IN, 278° 8,50mm EX)
OEM head gasket

here are some pics of assembled longblock and odher stuff...mostly cell phone quality

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Custom aluminium spark plug cover
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1SZFE solid lifters
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Oil cooler (25-row, 329x175x 50mm), Mocal termostatic adaptor plate
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Master Ignition standalone ECU with hardware, coils, T3 trigger wheel and Brisk premium spark plugs
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Black Diamond performance clutch with kevlar clutch disk
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