Seattle Washington ae86 hatch
Seattle Washington ae86 hatch
85 original gts. Original 150k 4age. No rust. $9000obo thank u
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Is that a custom metal-flake silver and black paint job? Looks way sweeter than the factory "nebbish gray" job!
-- Original owner, 1985 GT-S
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You've been trying to sell this for a long time how. I suggest post up more detailed information on your car figuring you're asking $9k.
Asking $9k without info just beats the point of selling.
Asking $9k without info just beats the point of selling.
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What can I say? Clean title original 4age 150k. No rust immaculate...with extras.
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Oem gts color scheme
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"Oem gts color scheme"
Not for an '85, sorry. They didn't come in two-tones that way in 1985, the choice was simply red or gray. No panda jobs at all in the US market. It is sharper than a stock car, but that's not stock paint.
Not for an '85, sorry. They didn't come in two-tones that way in 1985, the choice was simply red or gray. No panda jobs at all in the US market. It is sharper than a stock car, but that's not stock paint.
-- Original owner, 1985 GT-S
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Red wrote:"Oem gts color scheme"
Not for an '85, sorry. They didn't come in two-tones that way in 1985, the choice was simply red or gray. No panda jobs at all in the US market. It is sharper than a stock car, but that's not stock paint.
Uh.. yes, GT-S came in 2-tone in the US. Champagne(ish)/black, light blue/blue came stock in the US. Not saying this car hasn't been repainted, but it is definitely a factory paint scheme.
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"Uh.. yes, GT-S came in 2-tone in the US."
Not in 1985. In 1985 it was offered in three colors: red, white, gray. Period. I shopped multiple dealers and placed an order knowing exactly what was offered. Only the red and gray actually ever shipped. Early models with a burgundy or gray interior, later models gray only. Early red cars sometimes with a burgundy interior and gold wheels instead of the later ones which always had gray interior with silver wheels.
And black trim was used instead of chrome. But two tone paint? Never on the '85 US GT-S, only on the base or SR-5 models. That's been confirmed often enough over the years. Ditto for the panda paint job, that never shipped in the US at all.
I'm real certain about that, because I wanted the car, and didn't want any of the available paint jobs. Fire engine red: too many cops. Snow white: A PITA to keep clean and dangerous in the winter snows. And then nebbish gray (dull silver) one of the most dull and boring gray paints used in 1985, compared to "new" metallic grays like the dark anthracite gfrays with metal flake. There were no other choices or options in 1985 on this car, or I'd have ordered one.
If you bought it that way, you were misinformed. The paint job and body look beautiful--but they aren't stock if that's an AE88 VIN. The paint code, stamped on the plate, will come back as plain silver, as they called it.
I just can't tell if the sparkly silver look in your pix is from camera noise in low light a silver metallic paint job.
Not in 1985. In 1985 it was offered in three colors: red, white, gray. Period. I shopped multiple dealers and placed an order knowing exactly what was offered. Only the red and gray actually ever shipped. Early models with a burgundy or gray interior, later models gray only. Early red cars sometimes with a burgundy interior and gold wheels instead of the later ones which always had gray interior with silver wheels.
And black trim was used instead of chrome. But two tone paint? Never on the '85 US GT-S, only on the base or SR-5 models. That's been confirmed often enough over the years. Ditto for the panda paint job, that never shipped in the US at all.
I'm real certain about that, because I wanted the car, and didn't want any of the available paint jobs. Fire engine red: too many cops. Snow white: A PITA to keep clean and dangerous in the winter snows. And then nebbish gray (dull silver) one of the most dull and boring gray paints used in 1985, compared to "new" metallic grays like the dark anthracite gfrays with metal flake. There were no other choices or options in 1985 on this car, or I'd have ordered one.
If you bought it that way, you were misinformed. The paint job and body look beautiful--but they aren't stock if that's an AE88 VIN. The paint code, stamped on the plate, will come back as plain silver, as they called it.
I just can't tell if the sparkly silver look in your pix is from camera noise in low light a silver metallic paint job.
-- Original owner, 1985 GT-S
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The sparkly is bad camera lol
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Bummer! I'm a sucker for a good metalflake paint job.<G>
-- Original owner, 1985 GT-S
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Red wrote:"Uh.. yes, GT-S came in 2-tone in the US."
Not in 1985. In 1985 it was offered in three colors: red, white, gray. Period. I shopped multiple dealers and placed an order knowing exactly what was offered. Only the red and gray actually ever shipped. Early models with a burgundy or gray interior, later models gray only. Early red cars sometimes with a burgundy interior and gold wheels instead of the later ones which always had gray interior with silver wheels.
And black trim was used instead of chrome. But two tone paint? Never on the '85 US GT-S, only on the base or SR-5 models. That's been confirmed often enough over the years. Ditto for the panda paint job, that never shipped in the US at all.
I'm real certain about that, because I wanted the car, and didn't want any of the available paint jobs. Fire engine red: too many cops. Snow white: A PITA to keep clean and dangerous in the winter snows. And then nebbish gray (dull silver) one of the most dull and boring gray paints used in 1985, compared to "new" metallic grays like the dark anthracite gfrays with metal flake. There were no other choices or options in 1985 on this car, or I'd have ordered one.
If you bought it that way, you were misinformed. The paint job and body look beautiful--but they aren't stock if that's an AE88 VIN. The paint code, stamped on the plate, will come back as plain silver, as they called it.
I just can't tell if the sparkly silver look in your pix is from camera noise in low light a silver metallic paint job.
I agreed that 85 GTS only came in 3 colors. Only SR5's came with two tone in 85.
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Well since it also equates to a free bump, I will say with a fair amount of certainty that my first AE86, an 85 GT-S Hatch was in fact also this Silver Gray/Black (2C5 )141+202. That is NOT the same as the Silver/Black (2M8) 147+202 which was available on the SR5 and is pictured in the 1985 brochure. Mine was a hooptie, and was NEVER loved enough to be painted, except the spray paint covering the big rusty dents below the taillights. I suppose though we should continue paint color debates in it's own thread. Though it is apparent that this car is recently repainted, and is missing it's side trim, this color scheme was in fact( how ever uncommon it might have been) available in the US and or Canada.
Here's an update, thought I would do that instead of BUMPING, as it is now into a second page. Since I had a car in this color scheme, I always saved pics, since I have yet to see another in person, these are from all over the internet, most are small/old but ALL are Zenki cars, and have US/Canada Market bumpers. I will not debate what Two-Tone means, this is all in regard to two color "panda-esque" paint schemes in the US. For more proof, feel free to look at http://www.toyotareference.com/corollasport
Best of luck with sale, so few nice original cars are still around!!
Here's an update, thought I would do that instead of BUMPING, as it is now into a second page. Since I had a car in this color scheme, I always saved pics, since I have yet to see another in person, these are from all over the internet, most are small/old but ALL are Zenki cars, and have US/Canada Market bumpers. I will not debate what Two-Tone means, this is all in regard to two color "panda-esque" paint schemes in the US. For more proof, feel free to look at http://www.toyotareference.com/corollasport
Best of luck with sale, so few nice original cars are still around!!
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Googoo, all the 85 GT-Ses came with black trim instead of chrome, which was an auto industry way of flagging 'sports' models for years, since the pony cars in the 60's. That does not make them two-tone. Black trim is never counted as a "tone".
But every GT-S in 1985 came with body color matched bumpers, never black ones. If you got a car with black bumpers, it was either an SR-5, or not a 1985 GT-S. Maybe it was a 1986 model that was built in 1985. A lot of folks don't seem to get that the "model year" of a car is not the same as the "build year". If your VIN is AE88, what's the model year code in that VIN?
But yes, I'm Real Damned Sure what was available in 1985. I interrogated enough dealers trying to find something that wasn't totally boring, and if you wanted a GT-S, you had to settle for red or gray. Or promises of white that never shipped. No two tones, no pretty metallics, if you wanted colors you had to buy an SR-5 for that model year.
But every GT-S in 1985 came with body color matched bumpers, never black ones. If you got a car with black bumpers, it was either an SR-5, or not a 1985 GT-S. Maybe it was a 1986 model that was built in 1985. A lot of folks don't seem to get that the "model year" of a car is not the same as the "build year". If your VIN is AE88, what's the model year code in that VIN?
But yes, I'm Real Damned Sure what was available in 1985. I interrogated enough dealers trying to find something that wasn't totally boring, and if you wanted a GT-S, you had to settle for red or gray. Or promises of white that never shipped. No two tones, no pretty metallics, if you wanted colors you had to buy an SR-5 for that model year.
-- Original owner, 1985 GT-S
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I had a 85 gts ae88 vin about 9 years ago, same color as this in champagne/black. I've also seen another in the same paint scheme in champagne/black. I think you could be wrong that 85 only offered solid colors for gts although it is most common. I know the difference between sr5 black side moulding and gts colored moulding. Perhaps the dealers you went to were unable to acquire the 2-tone champagne/black scheme, but I don't think that it doesn't make it non-existent. Perhaps it was just a rare model to acquire when they were offered.
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"champagne/black."
Then the car was repainted. Yes, it is that simple, and yes, I'm that certain. And the other old-timers remember it the exact same way. An 85 GT-S on the US market shipped in red or gray (silver, whichever they called it) and that was it. No options, nothing else, definitely not a champagne color of any kind.
When you spend three months trying to locate a car (because in 1985 you couldn't order a Toyota at all, you could only put in a preference and see what was shipped. And you couldn't order a GT-S, because they were on allocation and even the dealers couldn't tell you if they would get ONE per month until it landed and was allocated to them. Champagne wasn't offered.
Either you had a repainted car, or someone swapped a VIN. Both are pretty common and easily done.
This was all discussed to death on the old forum before the crashes. Two colors, both with black trim, no two-tones, no nothing else in 1985. Except for the early red cars, which sometimes shipped with a maroon interior and gold wheels, instead of gray and silver. You couldn't spec that choice either, you took what came.
Then the car was repainted. Yes, it is that simple, and yes, I'm that certain. And the other old-timers remember it the exact same way. An 85 GT-S on the US market shipped in red or gray (silver, whichever they called it) and that was it. No options, nothing else, definitely not a champagne color of any kind.
When you spend three months trying to locate a car (because in 1985 you couldn't order a Toyota at all, you could only put in a preference and see what was shipped. And you couldn't order a GT-S, because they were on allocation and even the dealers couldn't tell you if they would get ONE per month until it landed and was allocated to them. Champagne wasn't offered.
Either you had a repainted car, or someone swapped a VIN. Both are pretty common and easily done.
This was all discussed to death on the old forum before the crashes. Two colors, both with black trim, no two-tones, no nothing else in 1985. Except for the early red cars, which sometimes shipped with a maroon interior and gold wheels, instead of gray and silver. You couldn't spec that choice either, you took what came.
-- Original owner, 1985 GT-S
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two-tone hoopla
Toyota describes a 1985 GTS as a two-tone and it's not a two-tone?
this is not the seller's window sticker, just an image I found
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Hey, s2k360. I tried to PM you, but I guess the PM function is down. Is there a means to contact you without posting business all over the boards for all to see?
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"Toyota describes a 1985 GTS as a two-tone and it's not a two-tone?"
Now I'll have to pull my sticker and see if it has the same mistake on it. Yes, I said "mistake", Toyota has been known to make some. Like calling our cars "three door" or "liftback" instead of "hatchback". Three doors? Their English has always been better than my Nipponese, but Detroit wrote the book on cars.
In the late 70's and early 80's Detroit was selling real two-tone paint jobs, using two tones of metallic reds, or browns, or other combinations. Tones--not just two different colors, or changing the silver trim to a "rallye blackout". One could argue that "silver gray" is really gray, and black and gray are really both tones of the same color...but black is not a tone of red.
In the US market, black is a trim color, not a "tone". This is also the company that intentionally mis-spelled the founder's name (Toyoda) to make it easier for foreigners like us to pronounce.
Sometimes the marketing guys need to be gently escorted back to their cages, and kept away from the product. Three doors. Sure, ask the CEO to enter and exit your car via that third door. <G>
Of course, the logic of paying $200 an ounce for fresh top-quality tuna sushi also eludes me.
Now I'll have to pull my sticker and see if it has the same mistake on it. Yes, I said "mistake", Toyota has been known to make some. Like calling our cars "three door" or "liftback" instead of "hatchback". Three doors? Their English has always been better than my Nipponese, but Detroit wrote the book on cars.
In the late 70's and early 80's Detroit was selling real two-tone paint jobs, using two tones of metallic reds, or browns, or other combinations. Tones--not just two different colors, or changing the silver trim to a "rallye blackout". One could argue that "silver gray" is really gray, and black and gray are really both tones of the same color...but black is not a tone of red.
In the US market, black is a trim color, not a "tone". This is also the company that intentionally mis-spelled the founder's name (Toyoda) to make it easier for foreigners like us to pronounce.
Sometimes the marketing guys need to be gently escorted back to their cages, and kept away from the product. Three doors. Sure, ask the CEO to enter and exit your car via that third door. <G>
Of course, the logic of paying $200 an ounce for fresh top-quality tuna sushi also eludes me.
-- Original owner, 1985 GT-S
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Red wrote:Now I'll have to pull my sticker and see if it has the same mistake on it. Yes, I said "mistake"
"Two-tone" was optional on both SR5 and GT-S models. To the bottom right of the SS, above the EPA estimates, you'll see the available colors for 1985 models.
*Brochure screenshot courtesy of Toyota Reference*
http://www.toyotareference.com/ssp/?a=a ... 8588621329
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Kiosk, you'll note that sheet says "Sport and SR-5" on the lower right. That is, those colors were available on one or both cars--but not necessarily all on both cars. It also shows WHITE was available, but the white GT-Ses simply never shipped to the US market.
Ditto for the two-tones, as far as anyone has ever been able to find out. On SR-5s, yes. And on the window sticker shown, it appears to mean "red and black" which was the stock "red" GT-S. (My own window sticker is in a file box right now, but I will get around to checking it.)
Show me an actual production plate, the driver's side door plate, that says it is a 1985 GT-S with a paint code that is listed only as two tone, not the basic red or silver-gray, and then I'll believe that Toyota actually shipped one. Or, that someone counterfeited a door plate, which is way more common than you might think for 'collectible' cars. A great way to bump the value of a car by two or four grand, spend a hundred bucks etching a plate that "proves" it is the only car ever built in that color combo.
Cynical? Nah, just seen it too often before. I had gone to eight or ten dealers looking for a car, and none of them had ever seen a two-tone. None of them offered it as an ordering option. Now that classic riceburners have officially been admitted to the Concourse circuit, you can sadly expect to see some much better frauds on them as well. "Never say never" but be real skeptical about any claims for unicorns.
Ditto for the two-tones, as far as anyone has ever been able to find out. On SR-5s, yes. And on the window sticker shown, it appears to mean "red and black" which was the stock "red" GT-S. (My own window sticker is in a file box right now, but I will get around to checking it.)
Show me an actual production plate, the driver's side door plate, that says it is a 1985 GT-S with a paint code that is listed only as two tone, not the basic red or silver-gray, and then I'll believe that Toyota actually shipped one. Or, that someone counterfeited a door plate, which is way more common than you might think for 'collectible' cars. A great way to bump the value of a car by two or four grand, spend a hundred bucks etching a plate that "proves" it is the only car ever built in that color combo.
Cynical? Nah, just seen it too often before. I had gone to eight or ten dealers looking for a car, and none of them had ever seen a two-tone. None of them offered it as an ordering option. Now that classic riceburners have officially been admitted to the Concourse circuit, you can sadly expect to see some much better frauds on them as well. "Never say never" but be real skeptical about any claims for unicorns.
-- Original owner, 1985 GT-S
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Check the screenshot, specifically the Exterior portion. Two-tone paint was optional on both GTS and SR5.
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Found my window sticker, very interesting differences and I'd be interested to know if anyone else has one to compare.
The VIN would appear to indicate "your" sticker is a very early production unit for 1985, based on the VIN. The model code 1798A is correct for a GT-S liftback, but your sticker calls it a "Corolla GT-S L/B" where mine just calls it a "Corolla". And mine makes no mention of two-tone, although the pictures I've seen of supposed two-tone gray GT-Ses are just gray and black, same black trim as mine.
Leaving the interesting question, of whether some two-tones were made very early in the production cycle, or....
Such a shame Toyota couldn't bother to keep any records and we have to go treasure hunting.
The VIN would appear to indicate "your" sticker is a very early production unit for 1985, based on the VIN. The model code 1798A is correct for a GT-S liftback, but your sticker calls it a "Corolla GT-S L/B" where mine just calls it a "Corolla". And mine makes no mention of two-tone, although the pictures I've seen of supposed two-tone gray GT-Ses are just gray and black, same black trim as mine.
Leaving the interesting question, of whether some two-tones were made very early in the production cycle, or....
Such a shame Toyota couldn't bother to keep any records and we have to go treasure hunting.
-- Original owner, 1985 GT-S
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Hopefully all this debating about the originality of the paint did not drive OP away. Even if it isn't original paint (not saying it isn't), doesn't mean the car is not what seller claims it to be: a clean title, immaculate GTS, no?
Anyways, OP, please shoot me an e-mail. Can't seem to PM you. My e-mail is richardyun84 at gmail dot com.
Anyways, OP, please shoot me an e-mail. Can't seem to PM you. My e-mail is richardyun84 at gmail dot com.
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Appears to be what it appears to be. Although I'll bet the aftermarket wheels don't have the OEM offset for the car, which affects handling. Usually making the car "more stable" aka "less nimble".
In any case it looks like a nice car.
In any case it looks like a nice car.
-- Original owner, 1985 GT-S
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Obviously not the place for this argument, but 1985 gts did indeed come in 2c5 silver/black. I know because I owned one.
Nice car, pricey, but very nice. Glws.
Nice car, pricey, but very nice. Glws.
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This thread is the first time in the entire forum history that anyone has actually said they owned a two-tone '85 GT-S, with a specific color code, as opposed to all the folks who have called "silver and black" a two-tone. So by all means don't be shy to contribute on that.
The pic of the rear just looks like a silver car, do you have any that show the two-tone scheme? Was it two shades of silver plus the blackout trim, or two shades with no black trim at all?
And fwiw, you might want to edit out the license plate if it still belongs to you. There are folks who cruise the web, run the plates, then stop by with a tow truck to harvest collectiblke cars. Sad but true.
The pic of the rear just looks like a silver car, do you have any that show the two-tone scheme? Was it two shades of silver plus the blackout trim, or two shades with no black trim at all?
And fwiw, you might want to edit out the license plate if it still belongs to you. There are folks who cruise the web, run the plates, then stop by with a tow truck to harvest collectiblke cars. Sad but true.
-- Original owner, 1985 GT-S
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This is from the Chicago Auto Show in 1985.
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Is there anybody in the real world who doesn't know that auto shows feature one-off "show cars" that may or may not ever be built? Or sold in the market they are being shown in?
Sure, I see a silver and black PANDA job there. And we all know those never were shipped to the US market, for the GT-S or anything else.
That's also PANDA, not two tone.
This is how myths get started. Invoices with paint codes are more convincing, or would be if a photo of a car was matched up with them. Or at least, claims from original buyers of factory stock cars. Not that I'm a skeptic--but if eight or ten dealers all said "It doesn't come in anything but..." when they were selling them, that carries weight too.
Sure, I see a silver and black PANDA job there. And we all know those never were shipped to the US market, for the GT-S or anything else.
That's also PANDA, not two tone.
This is how myths get started. Invoices with paint codes are more convincing, or would be if a photo of a car was matched up with them. Or at least, claims from original buyers of factory stock cars. Not that I'm a skeptic--but if eight or ten dealers all said "It doesn't come in anything but..." when they were selling them, that carries weight too.
-- Original owner, 1985 GT-S
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Red......
Is it possible that in the geographic area you are in there wasn't any two tones delivered?
1984+ was a long time ago... but I do know that some vehicles, or some options are not available in some areas... while easily available in other areas...
In particular I'm talking about two wheel drive trucks... some areas they aren't available, while in others...they are plentiful
Is it possible that in the geographic area you are in there wasn't any two tones delivered?
1984+ was a long time ago... but I do know that some vehicles, or some options are not available in some areas... while easily available in other areas...
In particular I'm talking about two wheel drive trucks... some areas they aren't available, while in others...they are plentiful
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It is possible. The midwest zone might have ordered them special, I have no idea if Toyota allowed the zones to do that. But in all the years on the forum, before both server losses, no one was ever able to document one. With the market being so hot now, it makes any unique (and therfore even more valuable) unicorn something that you have to look at carefully.
On the East Coast, coffee sales used to report the annual sale fo 50,000 pounds of Jamaica Blue Mountain coffee every year. Pricey stuff. And since the Jamaicans reported only shipping FIVE thousand pounds in each of those years...you just know the tnefold increase meant fraud, massive fraud.
Likewise, every time a Nooze paper, TV network, consumer group, surveys private used car sales, they report about 90% of the private sales involve some type of fraud. Year after year.
So my instinct is to think that one very early VIN means at least one two-tone (and we still have no pix of what that would be) GT-S got into America, but like the red cars with gold wheels and burgundy interiors, production stopped early, possibly very early. Making it either a very valuable car--or one of the 90% that isn't quite right. Meaning no disrespect to anyone, the rarity and the timing leave me skeptical. After all, in twenty minutes I could photoshop my own window sticker to show that I have a twin-turbo engine, moonroof (not sunroof) and all wheel drive. You know, "one" is still the loneliest number.
On the East Coast, coffee sales used to report the annual sale fo 50,000 pounds of Jamaica Blue Mountain coffee every year. Pricey stuff. And since the Jamaicans reported only shipping FIVE thousand pounds in each of those years...you just know the tnefold increase meant fraud, massive fraud.
Likewise, every time a Nooze paper, TV network, consumer group, surveys private used car sales, they report about 90% of the private sales involve some type of fraud. Year after year.
So my instinct is to think that one very early VIN means at least one two-tone (and we still have no pix of what that would be) GT-S got into America, but like the red cars with gold wheels and burgundy interiors, production stopped early, possibly very early. Making it either a very valuable car--or one of the 90% that isn't quite right. Meaning no disrespect to anyone, the rarity and the timing leave me skeptical. After all, in twenty minutes I could photoshop my own window sticker to show that I have a twin-turbo engine, moonroof (not sunroof) and all wheel drive. You know, "one" is still the loneliest number.
-- Original owner, 1985 GT-S