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AE86 vs FRS/BRZ Shootout?

Postby maxpham » Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:26 am

With the recent discussion threads I've been seeing here I remembered watching a MotorTrend challenge pitting a Fair Lady against a new 370Z (here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VRnBKfPOvw). I wondered whether or not the AE86 could compete against a FRS/BRZ (without the aid of Eurobeat). What would a challenge look like? A couple scenarios come in mind:
    - Tuned AE86 (total investment less than or equal to price of FRS/BRZ vs the new kid (stock)
    - Both cars tuned

Possible ground rules? Must have same engine family which came with car? No forced induction?

I imagine that logistically, this would be more easily accessible to conduct a fair shootout in California with its aftermarket suppliers and number of racetracks. I would say, let the community vote on the rules, cars, venue, trials, and drivers. Of course someone needs to videotape it and post it up on Youtube so the community may enjoy. :)

Just a thought.

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Re: AE86 vs FRS/BRZ Shootout?

Postby carbd7age » Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:19 am

"total investment less than or equal to the price of a new FRS/BRZ" Man if I dropped 26 grand into an AE86 race car build, a stick FRS wouldn't stand a chance in any circumstances lol.

Still, twould be real neat to see. Never happen in my neck of the woods, all FRS' belong to douchey internet fanboys and the BRZ's go to old hipsters, and all the AE86's are in other states lol.
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Re: AE86 vs FRS/BRZ Shootout?

Postby SidekickChuck » Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:23 am

Hipsters and fanboys in Tennessee? Whodathunkit? Its been a long time since I was in TN it seems! When I was there in 96ish, I really loved it. But I was only visiting a friend for a week, so I didnt get to see everything.
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Postby carbd7age » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:04 am

Yeah Chattanooga once was the dirtiest, most polluted city in America. Now there are international companies building billion dollar facilities (Alstom, VW) and we have web design companies on every corner.
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Re: AE86 vs FRS/BRZ Shootout?

Postby oldeskewltoy » Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:46 pm

hmmmmmm, :idea:

I no longer sport an AE86 body... but my car is mostly AE86 ;)

It also would be interesting since I've also got 6 speeds.... 8-)

my car has 170hp and is 2200#s, the FRS has 200hp and is 2700#s(?) :ugeek:

stock BRZ/FRS run 1/4 mile in 15.2 to 15.5 seconds at anywhere from 89.9 to 91 mph... My car ran a 15.77 @ 88.9 with the old 5 speed, and a 3.58 final drive... I'm now running a 6 speed and a 3.91 :twisted:

I'm not quite up to $26,000... but I'm very close to $20k... :shock:


It would be an interesting test....... :lol:

edit - PIR is about 10 miles from my house... it is a 2 mile road course where the long front straight works as a drag strip... ;)
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Re: AE86 vs FRS/BRZ Shootout?

Postby SidekickChuck » Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:53 pm

Yours is 170HP at the crank or wheels?
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Re: AE86 vs FRS/BRZ Shootout?

Postby oldeskewltoy » Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:54 pm

SidekickChuck wrote:Yours is 170HP at the crank or wheels?


crank as the FR-S is 200 at the crank... mine is 140-145 @ the rear wheels.....
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Postby SidekickChuck » Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:56 pm

As is mine. Very cool. You have such a perfect example of a stock like Corolla that has been well taken care of and driven as intended. Im truly surprised it hasnt been sold yet!
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Postby oldeskewltoy » Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:19 pm

SidekickChuck wrote:As is mine. Very cool. You have such a perfect example of a stock like Corolla that has been well taken care of and driven as intended. Im truly surprised it hasnt been sold yet!


you are mixing up cars.... the one for sale is absolutely stock.... and is my wife's....

mine is a wee bit different... my AE86... is actually an AE71 :shock:


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Re: AE86 vs FRS/BRZ Shootout?

Postby maxpham » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:42 am

@carbd7age, I'd love to see what 20k can do on the track. Although the frs is fairly light by today's standard, it's still packing plenty of mass. Not saying a little hachi roku can win on that quality alone. It's just something to consider. I would love to see something organized like the Nissan guys did. Very respectful to both generations of automobiles.

@oldeskewltoy - You sir are a man of refined tastes. i love your style and selection in cars. :)


Top Gear Poland did a GT86 v. AE86 here... but I don't understand Polish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tewwC8GUhDM

There's also this clip, more of a review, from Autoexpress... similar but not quite a real shootout
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tMyP9od8JM

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Re: AE86 vs FRS/BRZ Shootout?

Postby carbd7age » Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:42 am

I think a Toyota-engine-only rule should apply, you could swap an S2000 engine and handle an FRS down the straights handily. Still a BEAMS swap is also super powerful...
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Re: AE86 vs FRS/BRZ Shootout?

Postby ronny » Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:49 am

There are already time trial series for frs and ae86 It's been going on for year or so.
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Re: AE86 vs FRS/BRZ Shootout?

Postby SlideSexy » Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:55 am

Both cars would definitely have to be tuned to a equal level. 20-25k into an AE86 with a 1uz or Beams would be 2-3x faster than a stock FRS/BRZ.

With both cars tuned it would make it some what more of an even choice, and the weight of an AE86 could play a big roll, but like that video of the 240Z vs the 370Z it's not the only key point.

It would be amazing to watch though!
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Postby poorutron » Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:01 pm

hmmm i can see it now! "AE86 vs GT86 Touge Taiko special!"

ae86 vs frs would be interesting to watch, not sure about 1/4 mile runs...but yeah going back to earlier idea been wanting to see ae86 vs frs battle it out, for the sake of both sides hopefully see eye to eye

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Re: AE86 vs FRS/BRZ Shootout?

Postby demby123 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:29 pm

poorutron wrote:hmmm i can see it now! "AE86 vs GT86 Touge Taiko special!"

ae86 vs frs would be interesting to watch, not sure about 1/4 mile runs...but yeah going back to earlier idea been wanting to see ae86 vs frs battle it out, for the sake of both sides hopefully see eye to eye

Speaking of this, aren't some of the newer episodes of hot version pitting tsuchiiya's ae86 up against some tuned frs's on gunsai?

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Postby poorutron » Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:57 pm

demby123 wrote:
poorutron wrote:hmmm i can see it now! "AE86 vs GT86 Touge Taiko special!"

ae86 vs frs would be interesting to watch, not sure about 1/4 mile runs...but yeah going back to earlier idea been wanting to see ae86 vs frs battle it out, for the sake of both sides hopefully see eye to eye

Speaking of this, aren't some of the newer episodes of hot version pitting tsuchiiya's ae86 up against some tuned frs's on gunsai?


dude I've no clue but I'd pay to see that!

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Re: AE86 vs FRS/BRZ Shootout?

Postby cedu » Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:24 am

There's a video on yt of the n2 ae86s vs some tuner frs's

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Re: AE86 vs FRS/BRZ Shootout?

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Re: AE86 vs FRS/BRZ Shootout?

Postby maxpham » Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:10 pm

thanks grappletech! it was cool seeing both DK and Tec-Art's B.L. in the same race.

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Postby grappletech » Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:41 pm

Your welcome... I almost forgot a buddy of mine (joensah) sent this to me a while back...
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Re: AE86 vs FRS/BRZ Shootout?

Postby gaijin_rokurunner » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:14 am

i will volunteer my car to go up against a FRS.....make it a hot version video and bring Keiichi over to drive it!!! lol
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