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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby yoshimitsuspeed » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:11 am

oldeskewltoy wrote: :roll:

:lol:

Are you that dependent on C4AG to now pimp out this place?? This place is like an old hooker... may look nice on the outside to attract new unsuspecting blood, but once inside it doesn't take long to "feel" the mileage on this place.


Take it from the FF... "a little revolution now and then is a good thing!!!!"


What is the FF?


Your house gets a little neglected so you just go buy a new house? Your car gets a flat tire so you just leave it on the side of the road and walk to the dealership?
It's not that I am trying to pimp out C4AG it's that I think that we need to try to come together and try to collect knowledge, information and help in less places because it's getting spread too thin with how many people are still active in the communities. I have thought of starting my own communities and groups many times to try to be able to do it my way but I realized that it would be counterproductive to the community. I thought about how nice it would be to make a private group where I wouldn't have to deal with as many stupid questions then I realized that taking knowledge, information and resources away from people with stupid questions would be counterproductive.

Revolution against what? Moto's tyrannical Ego and Iron fist rule? Some sort of behavior on the boards that was unfixable?
That's what I don't understand. I don't see any problem with C4ag that couldn't be fixed by a couple people who put a little time and energy into it.

It sounds to me like 86FC is the new cult thing. "OMG no one can talk about FC but if you aren't a member you just aren't cool." "FC was started to get away from all the stupid people and stupid questions so if you are a member of FC you are a class above". Give it another 5 years when people realize it's just another old boring forum and you will see posts there asking why it's such a ghost town.

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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby oldeskewltoy » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:35 am

yoshimitsuspeed wrote:
oldeskewltoy wrote: :roll:

:lol:

Are you that dependent on C4AG to now pimp out this place?? This place is like an old hooker... may look nice on the outside to attract new unsuspecting blood, but once inside it doesn't take long to "feel" the mileage on this place.


Take it from the FF... "a little revolution now and then is a good thing!!!!"


What is the FF?


Revolution against what? Moto's tyrannical Ego and Iron fist rule? Some sort of behavior on the boards that was unfixable?
That's what I don't understand. I don't see any problem with C4ag that couldn't be fixed by a couple people who put a little time and energy into it.



FF = Your Founding Fathers..... The people who brought you the American Revolution

As to Motos tyranny - He removed posts critical of the FRS that both "Red" and I made, for no other reason then it might hurt the cars introduction... sending us emails saying as much. This place is beyond repair with its current owners.... the info is old and in many cases very inaccurate as you state every time you get a chance..... they let it fall deeply into disrepair, and so yes... it would be far better to raze it and begin again with new owners who care and are AE86 enthusiasts, then some old hacks who are just shills for Toyota... again an organization you frequently say you like to avoid.......

Now as to 86FC... I perfectly admit the whole FC thing is stupid... but the concept of a forum which has active old guard knowledgeable members who contribute... that makes this place not much more then a nursery school.
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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby jaedee » Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:19 am

yoshimitsuspeed wrote:Revolution against what? Moto's tyrannical Ego and Iron fist rule?


BINGO...I am not in this fight club but i would join just for that. This place isn't so much a "community" but one persons personal voice piece. A real forum includes their members say in how its run and lets people voice their honest opinions as long as personal damage is not being done. I've been coming here since 2000 and always felt this place handled its members with kids gloves. I only come here because I love 86s but I feel home on other forums like Clubroadster.net and I don't even own a Miata anymore. I am sure this and OSTs post will be brought down...proving our point.

That said this place is dead because there is nothing new going on. I, like many of the old crowd, have our own tech resources (personal experience/86 friends) and don't need this place for that kind of info. So the only thing this place has going on is its classifieds and fun talk, both of which are filtered and or censored, which doesn't really make this place very appealing. That's my two cents.

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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby idreamofdrifting » Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:25 pm

Damn, so it has come down to this huh.
I've learned so much here from all the years I've been both a lurker, and a member....it's sad the way it came down.
It's up to the new generation to keep the torch up...because I think we shouldn't let it die.
We all love the AE86 and for someone who resides in SoCaL,(like me) this was the place to be for all my 86 needs.
We need to keep the dream alive IMHO. That is all.
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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby jondee86 » Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:53 pm

Kind of a slow day, so I had a read of this thread. Interesting to see
what is being said, although I didn't really need to know of OST's after
dark experience with certain ladies of purchasable virtue :mrgreen:

I went and looked at the club4AG facebook page, and just as with every
other FB page I have ever looked at, it is a non-indexed jumble of facts,
articles, commercial posts, inane responses and self-promotion. It is
not even close to being an AE86 reference or a place where someone
might go to obtain help in building or fixing their car.

Having been a member of the ae86fighclub for a while, it gives every
appearance of being a place for a select few to tell "in jokes", stroke
each others egos and chide newbies for their lack of knowledge. Here
I must exempt several of the members who are also club4AG stalwarts,
and who are always ready to offer advice and assistance.

As to club4AG dying ? Yes, it is fading away, and unless it adapts to the
changing times, it will end up like those single make car clubs that you
used to laugh at... Willy's Knight, Studebaker, Edsel etc.

Society is changing... young people have other more compelling interests
than spending their spare time fixing rusty old cars that even when they
are restored, will get blown away by any late model sports hatch. So now
club4AG has to become clubFT86 to tap in to the new generation of car
enthusiasts who pay others to fix their cars and make the modifications.

Is club4AG worth saving ? Yes, because for as long as there are people
who genuinely want to learn about and fix old Toyotas, there needs to be
a knowledge base for them to consult. I have no problem with folks who
want to set up social websites and FB pages to talk s**t and organise
social events... track days or whatever. That only helps to popularise the
sport and show young people that old cars can be fun :D

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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby Jeonsah » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:29 pm

Honestly I like Club4ag better than AE86FC. "OG" members complain about new people but in reality they look just as bad for even saying that. Everyone with an AE86 should be working on the car or driving it.... Who cares what other people think. We should all be willing to come together and build something for everyone to enjoy. What everyone should care about is the journey with their cars and who they spent it with. I always liked club4ag for being open to anyone and having a wealth of information to dig into whether it be the old tech data or crazy build logs. Club4ag helped me get to where I am at today. I give major props to the people who are still on here helping the new rolla guys.

As far as the FRS goes, it is a sweet car. I feel that it is the rebirth of it all so that the new people can also have something nice. All the OG AE86 guys were around when the AE86 was new. The cycle is repeating but with the FRS. Even some of the famous AE86 guys in japan are getting FRS's.... If I could make the payment for one I would totally get one. Problem is I love my AE86 more. We should honestly embrace the FRS a little more and enjoy the new 86 with some spirited driving. It'll only be so long before Toyota decides to stop making them and the renaissance is over.

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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby ssspacely » Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:58 am

I'm a big fan of this forum. I've only been around for a couple of years. I feel there are a handful of people who really know the ae86 down to the last bolt and it would be a shame if they stopped participating in this forum. Torches always need passing though. I am a new comer to the ae86 scene and I love driving and working on the car. No matter how small the task, a little wrench time is what I look forward to at the beginning of what always becomes a long week.

Hopefully I can gain some knowledge to actually contribute to the community rather than just depend on it.

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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby neko-romancer » Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:07 pm

There is a bunch of depressing nostalgia here. I just bought my 86 like 4 months ago, who will i ask if you guys aren't here? I don't know anyone that likes old Japanese cars like i do.You guys can't leave, because i will need to ask more questions in the future. It would be sad to see the whole ae86 spirit die, especially after all its done and what it is

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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby cedu » Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:19 pm

Heres a lovely forum... not a ghost town btw.

http://www.matrixgarage.com/forum

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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby shadowwolf151 » Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:45 am

I just got my 86 in October, wanted one for a while, but never could find one for sale while I was stationed in VA, then I got stationed in FL where I finally found one. It need significant work, but I'm willing put the time and money in to make it a beautiful, fun car again. I don't know a lot about cars, but I understand the basics of how a 4 stroke engine works. And I have been reading topics all over these forums learning everything I can. Unfortunately I don't actually have access to the car right now to look at things myself because I am deployed overseas right now, and I have a friend who is car enthusiast (although he is an American Mussel guy) that is looking after it for me. So right now I rely on the information I can get from C4AG to learn as much as I can. Hopefully one day I will be as knowledgeable as the rest of you, and I will be the one who is helping someone new to enjoy their 86.

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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby chohdog » Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:27 am

Old Club4ag:
"You should always save up and get the best parts you can afford. Shoot for HTS or TRD shocks, a KAAZ 2 way and go have fun at a track day!"

New Club4ag:
"Do you even lift bro?"

Old Club4ag:
Most money spent on tires and track/drift day fees

New Club4ag:
Most money spent on expensive cellphones so you can take photos of your car and apply "filters"

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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby jondee86 » Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:41 pm

^^^^ Nailed it :lol:

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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby ronny » Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:44 pm

old club - " my 4ag is using low impedence injectors - if i switch to standalone - does it make a difference if i go high imp or low imp? calculating my true compression ratio - i don want to max out my injector duty cycle. 11.5 comp do you guys feel that 310CC enough?

new club " my godspeed sway bars don fit, can i cut and weld them back so they fit?"

depressing.

i now frequent the aeu86.org / ae86fightclub.com / hachiroku.net. but must agree this place is pretty shiittay i must say.. there is nothing to be learned reading club4ag. its almost been 7 years since the site went down?
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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby AoyamaJPN » Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:20 am

wow, i took the time to read this just now, and this is depressing.

i think what i would like to contribute to this conversation is my experience with building website and usability. this site was doomed to begin with running on a server which was probably and old machine sitting in the corner of moto's home, or very cheap hosting service without backups. i mean, do you guys remember when the site was down for months, re-emerged, and you couldn't find anything anymore? all user accounts needed to be re-created and, although not gone, the old knowledge was hard to find.

usability wise, this site is horrible. when you build a website you create user stories and build based on use cases. this site enables newbies to muck everything up. there is not enough access to information for newbies and proper sections for people that are more experienced. i really think this is the real problem. this site needs an overhaul. but, it's not that easy, someone needs to curate all the old content and divide it into categories that will be easily accessible to newbies. then, they need to recreate the forum categories into something more segmented. then, they need to create a working SEARCH.

the problem with this site is not its newbie wannabes, it's how it enables them to muck everything up. good content curation, structure, permissions, etc would help greatly. can you imagine how much less frustrating (and profitable) this site would be if it were overhauled? I'm down to help however I can.

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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby Clouds » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:04 pm

AoyamaJPN wrote:the problem with this site is not its newbie wannabes, it's how it enables them to muck everything up.

Could you explain that for me real quick? I'm not grasping what you mean.
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Postby Jinsoku » Sun Apr 12, 2015 12:00 am

i sold my last 86 in july 2012...
took care of a few things and came back in late 2014, this place didnt look or feel the same!
i'm glad to see the few names i recognize and salute you for holding on.
This was the first forum I joined and it's my home, i hate seeing how empty this place is now but i hope we can fix it
and bring back some of it's charm!

and yea,
i hate the color scheme!
i want my post count back(cause it took me over 10 years to get them!)
more meets, cruises, events, build days- anything really

i wish i lived in a bigger city but im back in visalia, ca. and i've seen 2 in the past 2 years!

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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby AoyamaJPN » Sun Apr 12, 2015 3:21 pm

Clouds wrote:Could you explain that for me real quick? I'm not grasping what you mean.


Basically, I'm advocating for a restructure, update and consolidation of content, as well as a search function that searches both the "old" and "new" sites. So, for example, tech articles, this should be required reading for first-time users right? But these are deep-dives, sometimes pages and pages of printed text on the subject, but the common user is probably looking for something more consolidated. *EDITED WILL NOT POST WITH THIS SENTENCE FOR SOME REASON*, perhaps a quick sticky with what size, offset and tire combination fit the stock wells, that right there may reduce 50% of the wheel section posts. And speaking of the wheel section, why is suspension lumped in there? Now, I have to track both "parts for sale" and "wheels and suspension" classifieds. These could be broken up a bit more.

I'm probably not making much sense here, but I think a general overhaul with a content-first approach would do wonders for weeding out unneeded posts and also having a space for more seasoned veterans. I mean look at the home page, two menu bars, a large slideshow carousel with video, rss feed, etc. If I was a newbie, I'd go right to the forums. If I was selling suspension, I wouldn't know which category to put it in, and if I were searching, I probably wouldn't find 50 posts of the same question because of the way that works now.

not sayin', just sayin'...

*also, i could not post this message at first, it took me 15min to take sentances out line-by-line to see which was causing the error. it just started with "for example, and talked about lists of wheels but no usable info". but this is my point! update the site! how many others get a Error code: ERR_CONNECTION_RESET when trying to post info and do not go line-by-line to find what words gave the error? *

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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby jondee86 » Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:22 pm

Some very good points ^^^^ right here !!!

One of the fundamental problems is that these are "open" forums where
anyone who registers (over 47 thousand members, but how many active?)
can have their say. Take for example the common question... "I'm new to
the AE86 and I wanna buy some coilovers. What's the best setup for street
and a bit of track ?".

This creates the situation where there are vast numbers of opinions, but
not a lot of unbiased, measurable and technically correct responses. This
is in the nature of open forums. Members have anonymity and no responsibility,
so they will just put up a post based on something they heard from a friend
or read on another forum. This is the nature of today's world.

It would be nice to have specialised forums for stuff like suspension, exhausts
and engine modifications, where the posts were moderated for content and
technical accuracy. But this implies that one or two suitably qualified and
experienced moderators would have to take on that responsibility. Such
people are usually busy earning a living, and don't always have the time to
monitor every post and weed out the spam.

Yes, there is always room for improvement, but most often we have to work
with what we have. Other similar forums have much tighter classifications
on topics, and moderate more strictly to remove non-contributing posts. Some
will simply direct you to read the FAQ if your question is answered there.

Maybe Club4AG just needs an overhaul to make it more user-friendly ;)

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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby Clouds » Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:19 am

@Aoyama I see what you mean now. It could be more user-friendly. There is a bit of streamlining that can be done.
Second thought: Some poor soul would have to go through and sort out which posts belong in which section and that would suck. :lol:

@jondee86 Someone could probably set up a rules thread that you must view before posting.
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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby jondee86 » Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:27 pm

Somebody already did... :lol:

POSTING GUIDELINES for Tech Forums... ***Read This***

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Postby Clouds » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:11 am

jondee86 wrote:Somebody already did... :lol:

POSTING GUIDELINES for Tech Forums... ***Read This***

Cheers... jondee86

:oops: :lol: Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeah, I forgot about that.
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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby AoyamaJPN » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:47 am

is anyone else willing to volunteer their time and knowledge to "clean up", code or design?

instead of just complaining, I'd like to help!

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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby chohdog » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:21 pm

Cleaning up the site in that regard would be very nice, but it will not fix the fundamental problem that's going on with the content that is being generated. The positioning of this vehicle in terms of how it is "owned" has drastically changed, so the content has drastically changed. There marketplace is different. The aftermarket, which is now plentiful with parts for the chassis, is flooded with inexpensive parts that favor cheap labor over RnD and craftsmanship.

Lots of people, including myself have attempted to write content that is insightful and based off real world experiences. I posted my dyno chart as well as my experiences with running my car, and have been running for at least 1 track/drift event a month for the past 8 years. Even with the content that some of us spent the time to put out, you can see that people don't care. Take a look at the comments, photos and other content that are replies and people now choose to build crap cars, with crap parts, then sell the car after a year of ownership. Who wants to be part of a forum with people like that?

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Postby jondee86 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:10 pm

chohdog wrote:Who wants to be part of a forum with people like that?

Maybe instead of looking at the situation from where you are now,
you should remember how it looked when you first joined up ? Most
people working on cars start out short on cash and knowledge.

Their ambitions are based on contempory culture. Back in the day
it was to emulate the heros of drag racing, circle track and circuits.
Now it is to emulate comic book heros and Kenny Block. And the
end result is much the same... get into it, discover it is too hard or
too expensive, trash car, lose licence, lose interest, move on.

Forums all around the world are facing the same problem... newer
communication technology designed to cater for ever shorter attention
spans and to provide instant response, is diverting the "passing thru"
members away from the forums. Chat is replacing intelligent thought;
the internet is replacing the need to have a brain :?

You can either fight against "progress" by trying to keep things the
way they were, or you can accept the inevitable, and adapt to meet
the changing environment. The real question is how to adapt the
forums to meet todays market ? I personally see no problem in letting
the FB page cater for the FB generation, while the existing forums
become the preserve of the serious owners/builders/drivers.

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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby yoshimitsuspeed » Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:25 pm

I just got back from vacation and guess I missed quite a lot.
Not sure I will be able to make my comments in a linear or logical fashion but I will try.



chohdog wrote:Old Club4ag:
"You should always save up and get the best parts you can afford. Shoot for HTS or TRD shocks, a KAAZ 2 way and go have fun at a track day!"

New Club4ag:
"Do you even lift bro?"

Old Club4ag:
Most money spent on tires and track/drift day fees

New Club4ag:
Most money spent on expensive cellphones so you can take photos of your car and apply "filters"

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New Club4ag:
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I hear this kind of C4AG trash talk all the time but on the forum I see very little of this.
The opinion above would closely match my opinion of the facebook group especially as it was before it was made private.
I am particular about what threads I spend the most of my time in and where I contribute but there are dozens of recently added forums that are pushing the 4AGE and A series chassis well beyond what they were in this fantasy glory day of yours.
There are still people who abide by those “old C4AG” beliefs. And just as there were back then there are people with different beliefs. You really think there were any less stupid questions or noobie threads on this forum 10 years ago? If so you are deluding yourself and should go back through the forum of yore.

ronny wrote:old club - " my 4ag is using low impedence injectors - if i switch to standalone - does it make a difference if i go high imp or low imp? calculating my true compression ratio - i don want to max out my injector duty cycle. 11.5 comp do you guys feel that 310CC enough?


We have discussions like this all the time. In fact many would say these are the stupid noob questions that people like me get sick of answering day in and day out. Those questions are like first grade 4AGE and obviously asked by someone who has no idea what they are talking about.

ronny wrote: there is nothing to be learned reading club4ag. its almost been 7 years since the site went down?


It sucks you feel that way. I still learn new stuff here every time I sign in.
The only thing lacking is people willing to update old outdated articles, make new ones and contribute to the growth of the community but if you are going to have the above attitude I'd personally rather you not be here at all. No loss to the community as far as I can tell.

AoyamaJPN wrote:usability wise, this site is horrible. when you build a website you create user stories and build based on use cases. this site enables newbies to muck everything up. there is not enough access to information for newbies and proper sections for people that are more experienced. i really think this is the real problem. this site needs an overhaul. but, it's not that easy, someone needs to curate all the old content and divide it into categories that will be easily accessible to newbies. then, they need to recreate the forum categories into something more segmented. then, they need to create a working SEARCH.

the problem with this site is not its newbie wannabes, it's how it enables them to muck everything up. good content curation, structure, permissions, etc would help greatly. can you imagine how much less frustrating (and profitable) this site would be if it were overhauled? I'm down to help however I can.


Lack of older wiser active members and overwhelmed moderators is the only thing in a forum that allows “noobies to muck everything up”
Quite honestly this is what I really dislike about anyone I have seen talk about 86FC and most of the people who bitch about this forum. It's this holier than thou, I don't have the time to deal with lowly people like you attitude that so many have. Honestly there are probably 5 people in this community who even deserve that right and in my experience they are some of the few who remain humble and helpful.
As far as access to information it could be improved but I have no trouble finding the info I am looking for. Most people don't even try and it should be our responsibility as more seasoned group members to try to stress to people that research should be your first step always and then to help them find that information as well as show them how to more effectively search for it in the future. The sad truth is that our society is pushing people towards this spoon fed, ask before you look mentality. The only way to fight it is actively.
As far as noobies mucking stuff up. I would love some direct examples because I really don't see what you mean.
Structure comes from the members as much as mods and administrators. You don't like peoples behavior then speak up. If a noobie isn't following the forums rules or even just social standard of behavior then tell them.
If you want to help then I would say one of the best places to start is by making suggestions. Make a thread, post in a thread like this or message a mod.
Instead of complaining about the darn noobs mucking everything up use detail. What exactly is bothering you? Even better what would be good ways to improve it?













AoyamaJPN wrote:
Clouds wrote:Could you explain that for me real quick? I'm not grasping what you mean.


Basically, I'm advocating for a restructure, update and consolidation of content, as well as a search function that searches both the "old" and "new" sites.


You will see in other threads updates that the old forum archives are being integrated into this forum. Once it's complete it will all be under the same forum and all be searchable.



AoyamaJPN wrote:So, for example, tech articles, this should be required reading for first-time users right?

Maybe if we took the time to go through them. I have stopped referring people to most tech articles because they are so outdated and have so much misinformation that they do more harm that good.
I would love to go through these and start editing and updating them. If someone wants to pay me $60/hr I would be happy to make this part of my actual work week. Otherwise it has to happen in my free time which doesn't really happen.


AoyamaJPN wrote:But these are deep-dives, sometimes pages and pages of printed text on the subject, but the common user is probably looking for something more consolidated. *EDITED WILL NOT POST WITH THIS SENTENCE FOR SOME REASON*, perhaps a quick sticky with what size, offset and tire combination fit the stock wells, that right there may reduce 50% of the wheel section posts. And speaking of the wheel section, why is suspension lumped in there? Now, I have to track both "parts for sale" and "wheels and suspension" classifieds. These could be broken up a bit more.


Unfortunately in ghost town forums the last thing you need is more sections that don't get any activity. At the rate the A series forums are decreasing in activity I am all about minimizing the number of sections. Better to have one forum that covers chassis setup, suspension, wheels, tires and braking that gets a few posts a week and has some activity than having those all broken up into sections that don't get a post for months and people stop checking and using.


AoyamaJPN wrote:I'm probably not making much sense here, but I think a general overhaul with a content-first approach would do wonders


I completely agree but it needs a lot of work to do that and work takes time. Especially when you have less people contributing less.


AoyamaJPN wrote: and also having a space for more seasoned veterans.

I completely disagree. This leads to elitist thinking and also withholds information from the people who need it most. Everyone should have access to the same information, the same sections and the same discussions and it should be up to us to police the members and keep the social environment that we want.


AoyamaJPN wrote:
*also, i could not post this message at first, it took me 15min to take sentances out line-by-line to see which was causing the error. it just started with "for example, and talked about lists of wheels but no usable info". but this is my point! update the site! how many others get a Error code: ERR_CONNECTION_RESET when trying to post info and do not go line-by-line to find what words gave the error? *


The site is being actively updated. The guys working on the back end are still working on a lot of things that we will never see and therefore it may not look like much is happening but it's laying the groundwork for the next step that should address many of the things you have mentioned.
If you are seriously unhappy with something then bring it up and as in a situation like this maybe someone can tell you that these are all things that are actively being worked on instead of you assuming the forum is completely stagnant and that no one gives AF.

AoyamaJPN wrote:is anyone else willing to volunteer their time and knowledge to "clean up", code or design?

instead of just complaining, I'd like to help!


See now that's the kind of pro active response I am talking about.

For code and design I would probably suggest dropping Moto a PM. I can't help much there.

If you wanted to make write ups or modify or update old tech posts that would be great.
I would be all about contributing to notes or suggestions. I just don't have time to go through and modify each one and I am sure there are others who are better at that kind of thing anyway.

Here is a thread that I started before I was made a mod. Like I said in this thread I think it would be best just to delete the thread in question but first someone would need to go through and see if there was any valid data that needed to be saved.
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=14289

Threads like this are why I don't refer people to old tech articles.

I would love to get the tech section laid out better and easier to navigate but until the articles themselves are updated they don't have a lot of value for me since I would rather just take 15 min to answer a persons question and know that they wouldn't be learning outdated or flat out bad information.

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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby oldeskewltoy » Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:57 am

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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby Clouds » Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:15 am

Yoshi, that was some comeback, man. :lol: Lots of valid points as well.
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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby jondee86 » Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:11 pm

What I am reading here is that there should be some interaction between the
management of the site and the members... yes ??

A point of contact where suggestions for changes/improvements/events
could be made, and there would be a response from management leading to
discussion as to the merits of the points raised. Maybe one of these...

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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby IndiaDorifto7 » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:59 pm

I'm done with the FB group, it's good to be back! :D

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Re: Club4ag is a ghost town

Postby jinx » Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:37 pm

FB slam on the brakes on all forums it seems. Maybe its just a fad, that will blow over..... slowly ;)

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