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16v or 20v?

Postby jzamerican » Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:45 am

hi guys. i just joined here to get some questions answered. I don't have much experience with these engines but i do have a 1jz mk3 supra. so I'm heavy into the supra world. I also do work as a tech at a shop so I'm not a car noob. now one of these engine will be going into a fox mustang. this car has already had a ka24de running in it but i traded the ka for an sr but with the sr being a front sump with an aluminum pan. it doesn't make it very fun since it gets in the way of my steering rack. i want to daily this car and since i have a tt supra i have the whole need for power this covered. however i still would like something out of the car. how are the power levels of these? now i now the 20v (silver top) has more out of box but how are they in modded form? i also read the 20v (silver top) has oiling issues? how can these be fixed? I'm doing all this my self if anyone needs to know.

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what engine should i go with?

Postby jzamerican » Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:41 am

hi guys. i just joined here to get some questions answered. I don't have much experience with these engines but i do have a 1jz mk3 supra. so I'm heavy into the supra world. I also do work as a tech at a shop so I'm not a car noob. 16v or 20v??? one of these engine will be going into a fox mustang. this car has already had a ka24de running in it but i traded the ka for an sr but with the sr being a front sump with an aluminum pan, it doesn't make it very fun since it gets in the way of my steering rack. i know i can modify it but its not worth it. i know i will have to modify the 4ag oil pan and pick up as well but steel is easier to weld the aluminum since i don't have a fig welder. i want to daily this car and since i have a tt supra i have the whole need for power thing covered. however i still would like something out of the car. how are the power levels of these? now i now the 20v (silver top) has more out of box but how are they in modded form? i also read the 20v (silver top) has oiling issues? how can these be fixed? I'm doing all this my self if anyone needs to know.

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Re: 16v or 20v?

Postby Clouds » Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:17 am

Start with the what model you have. SR5 or GT-S? After that, I think one of the more experienced members can help you.
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Re: 16v or 20v?

Postby MisterJerk » Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:33 am

jzamerican wrote:now one of these engine will be going into a fox mustang. this car has already had a ka24de running in it but i traded the ka for an sr but with the sr being a front sump with an aluminum pan.



lol...wut.


Am I reading this wrong? 1.6l in a mustang?
aside from that.... all 4age are front sump as well.

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Re: what engine should i go with?

Postby Cpaschal » Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:42 pm

Hmmm 1UZFE sounds like a cool swap for a fox mustang. nice exotic sounding V8 huh? and they are cheap!!!

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Re: what engine should i go with?

Postby burdickjp » Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:27 pm

It does sound like you're going in a few directions, and I'm rather skeptical that you're being serious at all.

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Re: what engine should i go with?

Postby Clouds » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:15 am

So are you trying to put a 4AG in a Foxbody? Personally, I'd just try to find a wrecked Foxbody with a V8.
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Re: 16v or 20v?

Postby Davegt27 » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:25 am

the only way to get power out of a small 1.6 motor is to rev it so I think you will be disappointed in the performance (for a daily driver)

maybe a Beams 3sg would be and idea
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Re: what engine should i go with?

Postby saiGone » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:40 pm

They put 5.0s in trucks and vans of the same era as well. easy to find
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Re: what engine should i go with?

Postby jzamerican » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:30 pm

Lol guys this car never came v8 and probly won't be one for a long time. I understand this seems like a stretch for you guys but I do have vids of this car running the ka and a bunch of pics of it. I'm truly serious and I am going to put one of the two in there. I'm thinking that eventually this car will get a 1uz but not yet. That's the only v8 this car will see

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Re: 16v or 20v?

Postby jzamerican » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:34 pm

Like I said I'm more towards daily with this car.
And yup your reading it right and yup I know there all front sump. I've already been doing my research and I know I can change it since it's a steel pan
And clouds i don't have an ae86. I wish I did but I can't find a clean/not stupidly overpriced shell

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Re: 16v or 20v?

Postby MisterJerk » Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:52 am

i can't tell if your trolling or not.

Honestly i just dont think it will be a good idea. My buddy had one of those rwd celicas with a 4age in it and the weight of the vehicle made it a dog. Horrible gas mileage and not enuff power to really move it anywhere.

not his car, but it was this model.
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Re: 16v or 20v?

Postby yoshimitsuspeed » Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:24 am

I spend a lot of my time telling people not to give up on the 4AGE for reaching their goals but in this case I would have to agree that any NA 4A will probably be a bit of a letdown.
You can get a 16 valve making more power than a stock 20V pretty easy wit cams and compression. From there I find them both impractically expensive to get much more out of unless you are limited by a class of racing or something similar.
If you went with boost you could probably get an acceptable entertaining ride out of it.

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Re: 16v or 20v?

Postby jzamerican » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:32 pm

ok guys I'm not trolling at all. heres some pics. and looking up the weights on an ae86 and a hatch mustang. there pretty close with the mustang weighing only 2 to 300 more
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Re: what engine should i go with?

Postby jzamerican » Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:14 pm

is there any way to get a steel oil pan for a 3sge??

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Re: what engine should i go with?

Postby IndiaDorifto7 » Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:34 pm

Man, the muscle car guys gonna be hatin'! :lol: I'll just be here laughing at the awesome sacrilege :D

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Re: what engine should i go with?

Postby Jimmee1990 » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:15 am

I would stick with the KA24DE, the extra torque would make a huge difference. They are a pretty decent engine, and take to boost really well.

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Re: what engine should i go with?

Postby Glock30 » Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:26 pm

I can feel the difference with another person in my car with a 4AC.... I can only imagine that a 4AG with 300lbs more weight would feel like. It might be worth looking into one of those little Pinto Motors... they at least have a turbo and I believe they are closer to bolt in for a mustang. I love Fords and Toyotas... but you are making my brain hurt. lol
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Re: what engine should i go with?

Postby oldeskewltoy » Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:57 pm

7AGZE - 16V 10.5 to 1 compression, SC14, custom cams 220@ .040" with 9mm of lift custom management. this should have no problem planting 200hp, 200#/ft of torque... which should be more than adequate for this vintage Mustang*...


* - original power plant was a 2.3 (88hp), options were the Cologne V6 (110hp), the turbo 4 @132hp, and the 302 @ 140hp.
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Re: what engine should i go with?

Postby jzamerican » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:45 am

The turbo 4 cyl was had the most power 132 for this year the v8 which was a 4.2 has 120 and there was no v6 in my year only an inline 6 which had 94

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Re: what engine should i go with?

Postby jzamerican » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:46 am

I do appreciate the comments but it's getting one if the three engines listed. If I can get a 3sge with a steel pan I'll do that

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Re: what engine should i go with?

Postby burdickjp » Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:25 pm

jzamerican wrote:I do appreciate the comments but it's getting one if the three engines listed. If I can get a 3sge with a steel pan I'll do that


Why is the steel pan important?
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Re: what engine should i go with?

Postby oldeskewltoy » Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:33 pm

jzamerican wrote:The turbo 4 cyl was had the most power 132 for this year the v8 which was a 4.2 has 120 and there was no v6 in my year only an inline 6 which had 94


1980??


The one, and only new car I ever bought was a 1980 Turbo Capri. I ordered the car, as opposed to buying something on the lot. I ordered it with the turbo 4, (no P/S, or A/C), 4 speed, TRX suspension, Recaro interior (orange), painted dark burgundy, I also ordered an RS grill (flat black) and had it fitted before I picked it up.

Oh... 132hp... was about 40+ shy of what mine planted :twisted: , shortly after the warranty I fitted a Racer Walsh boost kit, I could turn up the boost from inside the car... :shock:
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Re: what engine should i go with?

Postby jzamerican » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:49 am

burdickjp wrote:
jzamerican wrote:I do appreciate the comments but it's getting one if the three engines listed. If I can get a 3sge with a steel pan I'll do that


Why is the steel pan important?

Easier to modify then an aluminum pan

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Re: what engine should i go with?

Postby jzamerican » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:50 am

oldeskewltoy wrote:
jzamerican wrote:The turbo 4 cyl was had the most power 132 for this year the v8 which was a 4.2 has 120 and there was no v6 in my year only an inline 6 which had 94


1980??


The one, and only new car I ever bought was a 1980 Turbo Capri. I ordered the car, as opposed to buying something on the lot. I ordered it with the turbo 4, (no P/S, or A/C), 4 speed, TRX suspension, Recaro interior (orange), painted dark burgundy, I also ordered an RS grill (flat black) and had it fitted before I picked it up.

Oh... 132hp... was about 40+ shy of what mine planted :twisted: , shortly after the warranty I fitted a Racer Walsh boost kit, I could turn up the boost from inside the car... :shock:

Yup lol I've owned this car since I was 14 (now 22) and still have yet to drive her

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Re: what engine should i go with?

Postby IndiaDorifto7 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:49 pm

8-) ^Oh, wow, let's get this car running then shall we?

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