200mm vs 212mm clutch differeces

[daveskatesallday]

So i know this has been covered before but haven't seen it on here since the old site went down. From my understanding the 86 came with the 200mm and in the later models had the 212mm? (don't quote me on that, it's just what i've heard). A buddy of mine has a 212mm clutch kit he doesn't need (for his 4AGZE) so i was going to pick it up from him BUT if it doesn't fit i want to make sure i have the right one so i don't have a long downtime waiting for the right one to get in. What are the differences? why does it or doesn't it work? seems like if the 4AGE fits the AW11 that it would fit the 86 the same but i suppose there's a good reasoning between the differences.

[Burks]

Im pretty sure the 20v clutch kit was 212mm.

Im also pretty sure that the entire clutch kit for the 20v is a direct fit to the 16v. Minus a couple of important pieces.

The way I researched, you use the 20v 212mm clutch disc, the pressure plate, and the flywheel which is lighter then the 16v (which is why people do the swap to begin with). You must use the 16v Throw Out bearing, clutch fork, etc.

But i've never done it, so this is just from my research.

Things needed for a 212mm clutch disc to work.

212mm clutch disc
20v pressure plate
20v flywheel
16v throw out/release bearing
16v pilot bearing
16v clutch fork
16v flywheel bolts(???)
16v pressure plate bolts(???)

It's recommended to use new bolts when doing the swap.

The bottom 2 are questionable but, would have to work?? Unsure.

The 20v flywheel is said to be around 5lbs lighter stock then the 16v

[gotzoom?]

The 212mm flywheel is a direct bolt up to all variants of the 4AGE. The pressure plate is flywheel specific. The 212mm pressure plate does not bolt up to the 200mm flywheel. The 212mm clutch disk may fit under the 200mm pressure plate, but I have not tested it and don't think there would be any advantage to doing this. If you want a complete 212mm setup (flywheel, new clutch disk and new pressure plate,) I have them and will sell them cheap.

[daveskatesallday]

Im pretty sure the 20v clutch kit was 212mm.

Im also pretty sure that the entire clutch kit for the 20v is a direct fit to the 16v. Minus a couple of important pieces.

The way I researched, you use the 20v 212mm clutch disc, the pressure plate, and the flywheel which is lighter then the 16v (which is why people do the swap to begin with). You must use the 16v Throw Out bearing, clutch fork, etc.

But i've never done it, so this is just from my research.

Things needed for a 212mm clutch disc to work.

212mm clutch disc
20v pressure plate
20v flywheel
16v throw out/release bearing
16v pilot bearing
16v clutch fork
16v flywheel bolts(???)
16v pressure plate bolts(???)

It's recommended to use new bolts when doing the swap.

The bottom 2 are questionable but, would have to work?? Unsure.

The 20v flywheel is said to be around 5lbs lighter stock then the 16v

thanks for the info, sounds about right although i haven't done it myself yet anyway

[daveskatesallday]

The 212mm flywheel is a direct bolt up to all variants of the 4AGE. The pressure plate is flywheel specific. The 212mm pressure plate does not bolt up to the 200mm flywheel. The 212mm clutch disk may fit under the 200mm pressure plate, but I have not tested it and don't think there would be any advantage to doing this. If you want a complete 212mm setup (flywheel, new clutch disk and new pressure plate,) I have them and will sell them cheap.

thanks so if im understanding this correctly, as long as i have the 212mm flywheel everything else should mate up?? i don't need one specifically for a 20V but i'll need it to have enough grab for a GZE anywhere from 150-200hp (not sure what stage clutch to go with), my buddy has a 212 clutch he was going to use on his GZE but sold his car years ago and he was going to just let me get the clutch for cheap since he has no use for it, so i just wanted to make sure i had everything right before buying it and having fitment issues later, is there a big difference between the GZE 212mm stuff vs the 20V 212mm ? (weight/how much hp/tq they can withstand/ how well they grab?)

[ga_goosh]

I thought the 4agze had a 225mm/230mm flywheel. the later 16v and 20v had the 212mm flywheel.

[daveskatesallday]

I thought the 4agze had a 225mm/230mm flywheel. the later 16v and 20v had the 212mm flywheel.

hmm from how my friends setup was on his GZE that was in his AW11 it definitely was a 212mm, never heard of the 225/230 but who knows, hopefully everything fits so that's one more thing out of the way

[gotzoom?]

Yes, you need to have the matching pressure plate for the flywheel you have. They are all different sizes and have the bolts in different places.