Gonna start a build and see where it goes ===> TWINSCREW !!! :-p

User avatar
jondee86
Moderator
Posts: 2907
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:21 pm
Location: Wellington, New Zealand

Gonna start a build and see where it goes ===> TWINSCREW !!! :-p

Postby jondee86 » Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:39 am

Five or six years ago I bought a used 4AGE smallport from a Jap parts importer
because it was the same engine that I already had in my car, and thought it would
be nice to have a spare. The engine came with manifolds and all accessories, so
I stripped those off and sold them. Ended up with a free longblock :) Like this...

Image

Put that into dry storage and more or less forgot about it until I decided that it was
time for a new build. So I pulled it down to see what I had, and found I had lucked
in with a 25 year old virgin :D This engine had never been violated... everything
was tight and unmarked. Hone marks still visible in the bore (after wiping off a bit
of surface rust), clean under the cam covers, cam journals like new, and the crank
pulley just slid off with a couple of gentle taps.
Image

Image

Image

Super pleased with the condition of this engine, and it is kind of a shame to pull
it down. But stock just doesn't cut these days... and I have plans to do something
different this time. So next week the block goes out for a rebuild, and the head
goes for a cleanup and a few small mods.

Got the head back with the chambers cleaned up....

Image

... and the intake valves backcut.

Image

Got the block back all clean and tidy. Bored to 81.5mm to suit the GZE pistons,
decked just enough to clean up the surface, polished the crank and re-used the
original factory bearings as they were still in spec. The marks on the surface at
the far righthand side of the pic are rust stains; they can't be felt and the surface
is perfectly smooth.

Image

Bought an Athena 1.0mm (0.040") thick x 83mm bore MLS head gasket as I couldn't
get an 82mm bore gasket off the shelf.

Image

Used new OEM head bolts and torqued them to 75Nm (55ft-lbs). Had to take a punt
on this as I couldn't find any reliable specs for a MLS gasket used on a smallport.

Now I have to extract the TRD valve springs out of the old engine so I can swap the
springs and reassemble this head. I'll put the OEM springs back in the old engine
which is still in the car. Gonna use the rope trick and the new tool from Valvemaster.

Image

Well, as it turns out this tool does a pretty good job. I managed to swap the springs
over with the engine in the car, and then install the TRD springs on the head for the
new engine. One thing I did notice, is that the TRD springs are a bit more difficult to
compress compared to the factory springs. They need a really firm/quick shove on
the tool, and that can be a bit difficult to achieve leaning over the fender.

Working with the head on the bench at a good height is way easier. Makes fitting
stem seals a piece of cake as well, so I give this tool the thumbs up :)

Fitted the cams to the head with a bit of assembly lube on the cam journals and on
the cam lobes. Just a safety measure, as I will be turning the engine over by hand
until I see oil at the cams before firing it up.

Image

Put on a new timing belt with #1 cylinder at TDC and all the marks lined up, then
rotated it forward a couple of turns to set the tension.

Image

Gonna put my "Supercharger" cam covers on this engine, so it will look a bit like this :)

Image

As you can see, I'm conservative in my color choices !!! Did what I hoped would be
the final mockup to make sure all the pieces will fit...

Image

Found a belt alignment problem that will need fixing, but otherwise its looking solid.
I'll probably use the smallport fuel rail as it is neater with the FPR at the rear, and I'll
need to find a new home for the IAT sensor as the ducting is in the way of the stock
GZE location. Lots of small things to be sorted as they are discovered :)

Checked the valve clearances as it is so much easier to do when the engine is out of
the car. The valves and seats were all in good condition so no valve grinding was done
and no shim adjustment was needed. The clearances are basically as set in the factory...
Image

And here is a pic showing how to set the cams when reassembling the head...

Image

Put the engine at TDC on #1 cylinder then insert the cams with "ears out" on #1 cylinder.
The lobes on the inlet and exhaust cams should point away from each other towards the
outside of the head. The cams will lay in easily and you will do the least amount of work
tightening down the cam caps.

Cheers... jondee86 :mrgreen:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
depends on the unreasonable man.

User avatar
jondee86
Moderator
Posts: 2907
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:21 pm
Location: Wellington, New Zealand

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby jondee86 » Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:04 am

Now I will throw in a bit of background to set the scene. About a year or so back
when I had been playing with my ITB converted, cammed and aftermarket ECU
controlled smallport setup, I decided that the car was missing something... TORQUE !!!
I have always considered torque to be the key ingredient for driving fun, and having
to be in the 4-7000rpm range to have fun gets old pretty quickly. So I started
looking around at what options were available to get a bit more grunt.

- Bigger engine transplant... nah, goes against the spirit of the AE86.
- Some sort of hybrid 7A/4A mix and match... too much like a junkyard special.
- Twenty valve swap... never heard anyone refer to them a torque monster.
- Strap on a turbo... now this certainly is one way of making some decent torque,
and I spent a lot of time looking at this possibility. Considered everything from
Ebay turbo kits to custom built manifolds with a brand new Garrett water cooled
ball bearing turbo. In the end, although it ticked the power and torque boxes, it
just didn't have the driving characteristics I was looking for.

- Centrifugal supercharger... got quite keen on the Rotrex style units only they
are kind of expensive and like all centrifugals, boost increase is more or less
lineal with rpm.
- GZE swap... been around since the dawn, and gives the 4A a respectable
bottom end for a 1600. Downside is that finding a SC-12 in decent condition is
near impossible. I liked the idea of supercharging and noticed that it was making
a comeback on some pretty upmarket Euro and US cars. And then I started
reading about the supercharger kits that were coming out for the BZR/Scion
and Mini Cooper upgrades... and other applications such as...

Image

More efficient than Rootes type blowers, self-contained oiling system, and
can be used without an intercooler. I liked the concept and started investigating
to see if one of these could be made to fit under the hood of an AE86. AFAIK
the BZR has a stock compression ratio north of 12:1 so they are limited to
about 6 psi unless an air to water intercooler system is fitted. I decided that if
I was going to go supercharged, I would want to drop my stock compression on
the smallport to give myself a bit more flexibility in system design and tuning.

And... as it happens, I also have a set of these doing nothing special...

Image

So a fresh bore and hone to the first oversize, and they will go in to make this
smallport block into a GZE block. Judging by the condition of the head, I expect
that (after checking clearances) I can most likely re-use the factory bearings.
All other wearing parts will be checked and replaced if necessary. New Toyota
OEM seals and gaskets will be used throughout.

Now, as the more astute reader will have noted... there is no point in lowering
compression if you are not going to run some boost, and that was the decision
that I reached. So late last year one of these touched down on my diningroom table...
Image

Of course I didn't get the cutaway model for safety reasons :P The one I received
was the S5-210 the same as used on the BZR/Scion conversion. I ordered it direct
from the Sprintex factory <www.sprintex.com.au> in Australia, but since they rebuilt
their website I only see reference to full kitsets for various vehicles, so I don't know
if they are still selling the bare units. These are the basic details for the S5-210...

Image

The challenge then became... how to strap the supercharger onto a 4AGE ? No-one
had ever done this as far as I could make out after searching the web extensively, so
I was breaking new ground. The best way would have been to engineer a custom
intake manifold and hang the charger off that. But when I looked at the amount of
work this would involve, I flaked, and looked for an easier route. Toyota had already
built a supercharger manifold for the GZE, and although it wasn't the greatest design,
plenty of people had made good power using it... problem solved.

So I bought these bits...

Image

For better or for worse this was the foundation for my installation. All that remained
to be done was fill in the gaps :)

Cheers... jondee86
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
depends on the unreasonable man.

User avatar
jondee86
Moderator
Posts: 2907
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:21 pm
Location: Wellington, New Zealand

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby jondee86 » Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:06 am

Also picked up one of these to satisfy those folk that still insist that any lightened
flywheel immediately becomes a weapon of mass destruction :roll:

Image

Weighs in at 6.1 kg on my deadly accurate bathroom scales, and measures around
213 diameter over the friction surface (215 dia overall). Since these are good to 8200 rpm
or some other ridiculously high number, my legs should be safe enough up to the redline
I shall be using.

This goes out next week to be re-surfaced, then fitted with a heavy duty pressure plate
and new clutch plate.

Image

Managed to find an alternator bracket from a non-AC equipped AW11 so I could mount
my alternator high on the exhaust side. Bolts right up and at the moment holds some
random alternator I had in the shed. No mods to the alternator or bracket, just needed
to make a top link with a joggle in the middle to hold the alternator solid.

Image

Not sure if that alternator is good, so it will be tested and rebuilt if necessary.

Discovered I had a spare rear half for a RWD water pump in the shed, and a FWD offset
pulley, so I bought a FWD water pump and matched them up...

Image

I won't be using a viscous drive fan on this build so so problem with the pump, and the
pulley will line with the stock smallport crank pulley.

After the charger arrived and I was looking at how inlet and outlet ducting could
be connected, I discovered that the inlet is a rather unusual shape, and the outlet
not much better. I was going to fabricate manifolds to connect to the charger, but
when I did some drawings and realised what was involved, I went looking for an
easier option. As it happens there is only one company in the entire world that
has cast aftermarket manifolds for the S5-210, and that company is in the USA !!

Image

Image

These babies are not cheap :o But they solve a problem, and as the saying goes...
If you want to play, you gotta pay. Next thing on my shopping list was a throttlebody,
and found this at my local Pick-n-Pull...

Image

Came off a Subaru Legacy turbo wagon, 60 dia throttle plate and the linkage is
geared to slow down the initial throttle opening. Need that with boosted engines to
soften the initial hit... helps to keep you off the rear bumper of the car in front :)

Cheers... jondee86
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
depends on the unreasonable man.

User avatar
jondee86
Moderator
Posts: 2907
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:21 pm
Location: Wellington, New Zealand

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby jondee86 » Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:07 am

When it came to mounting the charger, using the GZE mounting points was the
obvious way to go. So I started drawing up a mounting plate using the dimensions
I could get from my spare engine on the stand. Nothing very scientific... just a
tape measure and a straightedge and a lot of "that'll be close enough" :) After many
revisions as I figured out where stuff should be, I took the plunge and sent the
drawings away to have the mounting plate and fittings machined.

The main layout datum was to make sure the charger was positioned so that the
charger pulley lined up with all the other pulleys. This is what came back...

Image

As you can see, to allow for the inaccuracies in my measuring, I slotted a lot
of the mounting holes to give me a bit of horizontal movement to make sure
that I could get the pulley lining up correctly. Here it is with the charger onboard
for a mockup...

Image

This arrangement places the charger well away from the side of the engine to allow
room for the discharge ducting and for water pipework. I plan on using the RWD
water pipes, top and bottom water necks and hoses. Just have to see where the
belts end up before I will know if this is possible or not.

Next up was more drawings and many revisions until I managed to devise a layout
that looked like it might work. Couldn't buy the tight radius bends I needed in NZ
so finished up getting some tight radius donuts from Australia. Sliced them up and
whittled them down until I had this collection of bits...

Image

Did a bit of welding with silver tape, and stuck the bits together for a first fit...

Image

The results were quite promising :) Had to revise a couple of small items due to
interference with the manifolds, and that required a bit of grinding on the GZE inlet
manifold... but all in all, what worked on my drawing actually worked on the engine !!

Image

That was a huge relief, as there are three places where the tubes only clear by about
5 mm, and I didn't have a lot of options for changing the layout. Next problem was how
to mount the throttle body and tie things together. Did a bit measuring and drawing
and came up with a bracket design that I had waterjet cut out of 12 mm aluminum...

Image

Had to put the throttle body on a bit of an angle as the discharge ducting was using
the place whwre the throttle cable would have run. Now it will sneak thru the gap
under the fuel rail... I'll have to make a bracket to hold the end of the outer cable.

And that's about where I am at just now. The inlet and discharge ducting is away for
welding. The engine block is away for reconditioning and fitting the new pistons. The
head is away for a cleanup, and I am working thru the details for the water-meth kit.
So there won't be any major updates for a few weeks... not until I have the engine
into the car. I intend to run it as a low compression smallport with factory management
for breakin, and then park it up to begin the supercharger install.

While I'm waiting for stuff to come back from the machinist, I decided to get a couple
of alloy supercharger pulleys made up...

Image

The steel pulley that came with the charger was one that is usually supplied with a kit,
and is sized to drive the charger to its max output. That's OK if you know your way around
tuning for boost, but since I don't, I thought it would be better to start off low and work
my way up as I learn. So I have sized the custom pulleys to deliver 10psi and 15psi... also
changed from 6 rib to 5 rib as 4AGE pulleys only run 5 rib belts.

Gonna send these off to get anodized black for better looks and wear resistance. Just got
them back and... WOW!!! They turned out better than I expected...

Image

I sent them out of town to a place that specialises in industrial rather than architectural
anodizing, and they did a great Job. Very pleased with the result :)

Cheers... jondee86
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
depends on the unreasonable man.

User avatar
jondee86
Moderator
Posts: 2907
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:21 pm
Location: Wellington, New Zealand

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby jondee86 » Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:07 am

Couldn't wait any longer for the new model ECU to be released, so I settled for one
of the current models that has been well proven over the last five years...

Image

Compact size means I can probably mount it on the back of the glovebox. That
will make it easier to access the USB plug for programming and logging. Factory
ECU position will then be available for relays and terminal block... just gotta see
how that works out. There is a connection for an internal MAP sensor, but I shall
most likely use an external sensor to keep the connection tube short.

Started stripping out the factory harness and ECU and decided that if I am going
to be building a new harness I might as well do the final version now. So I pulled
all the N.A. stuff off the engine and started a trial fit of the S.C bits...

Image

Image

At this stage it looks as if everything will fit under the hood, but there are a few
places where stuff will need to be re-routed or modified to clear the S.C. setup.
Lower water neck will need to change direction so that the hose can come out thru
the belt. Only a problem if I have to change the belt, but I don't expect to do that
very often. Top water hose clears no problem.

Kind of crowded in there, but it looks like everything clears (just) :)

Image

AE86 throttle cable is too short to reach, so I will have to use the longer KE** cable
that I had for the ITB's. It's actually too long, but will do until I find something else.
Working on modifying a bottom water neck now, and will see how that works out.

Been doing a final trial fit of the various parts to make sure everything lines up and
has clearance. Relocated the fuel filter a little higher up to clear the charger. Managed
to "stretch" the hard line just enough :)

Image

Found a reasonably tidy set of GZE injectors in my parts bin. They are low res and
I would have preferred high res, but my ECU will handle either, so no need to worry
about wiring in a resistor box...

Image

Trimmed out the small water tubes for heating the AE86 waxstat and bolted a 20V ISCV
under there that hooks up to the intake tube. Used the OEM vacuum hose :) Will either
plumb the fresh air side of the valve into the intake upstream of the throttle or fit a
small filter, whichever works best.

Image

Chopped up the water neck from a FWD Corona. Hopefully it will have a few millimetres
clearance from the charger drive belt when the lower hose is connected. Bonus from
using that neck is that I can lose the paper thermostat gasket and use the rubber o-ring.

Image

Hose is in the way of inserting the pin that holds the charger mounting plate to the lower
support bracket so I have to try and remember to assemble things in the correct order.
And getting at the joiners on the tubing to tighten the clamps is going to be fun !!!!

Found a little filter for the ISCV air intake. Recycled both of the 20V hoses and used a
bracket I found in my parts box to hold it steady...

Image

Started into the final assembly of the supercharger setup...

Image

Image

Image

Assembling the ducting was a bitch !!!! There is hardly any room to get hands underneath
to fit the clamps and tighten them. There is still one on the discharge manifold that has
to be fitted when I can figure out how to do it... from under the car probably :) Only big
thing left to do now is the under dash wiring for the ECU and a couple of relays.

Alright... apart from the final tidying of the underdash wiring when I am satisfied that no
further alterations are necessary, the installation is DONE !!!!!!

Here are some pics of how it looks now...
Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

In the next few days I will be working on getting a basic fuel map sorted so that the engine
stays running and I can start tuning the fuel. All other systems appear to be working as
expected. Providing all goes well, I should be able to start driving by the weekend. Plan is
to tune the fuel up to atmospheric first, and then slowly work my way up 10psi which is
the nominal maximum for this S/C pulley.

Depending on results, I will then look at changing to the 15psi pulley and commissioning
the water/meth injection :) No intercooler on this setup, so I will be logging/monitoring
manifold air temperatures and watching for any signs of knock. Don't expect any issues
as I will be running conservative timing.

Cheers... jondee86
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
depends on the unreasonable man.

User avatar
morgan
Club4AG Pro
Posts: 917
Joined: Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:29 pm
Location: og, nj

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby morgan » Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:04 am

this will be interesting, cant wait to see where you go with this
haha cali...i got one of your 86's and you're not getting it back.
My turd of an 86
20v swapped 86 write-up

User avatar
oldeskewltoy
Club4AG MASTER
Posts: 2180
Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:44 pm
Location: Portland, Oregon

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby oldeskewltoy » Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:22 am

Image
OST Cyl head porting, - viewtopic.php?f=22&t=300

Building a great engine takes knowing the end... before you begin :ugeek:

Enjoy Life... its the only one you get!

shagymc
Club4AG Expert
Posts: 353
Joined: Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:43 pm

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby shagymc » Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:04 pm

I'm so ready for this

User avatar
jondee86
Moderator
Posts: 2907
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:21 pm
Location: Wellington, New Zealand

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby jondee86 » Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:11 pm

Nice to know people actually read these build threads :)

To try an keep the information together, I will be editing old posts to add new stuff,
rather than creating new posts eaxh time. Added a couple of pics in post #3.

Cheers... jondee86
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
depends on the unreasonable man.

Clouds
Club4AG Expert
Posts: 415
Joined: Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:03 am
Location: Georgia

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby Clouds » Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:41 pm

I was really surprised to see that Jondee was starting a build. This is gonna be pretty sweet.
There shouldn't be a day that goes by where you don't learn something new.

User avatar
jondee86
Moderator
Posts: 2907
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:21 pm
Location: Wellington, New Zealand

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby jondee86 » Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:56 am

Bit of background info to this build added in post #2.

Cheers... jondee86
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
depends on the unreasonable man.

User avatar
oldeskewltoy
Club4AG MASTER
Posts: 2180
Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:44 pm
Location: Portland, Oregon

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby oldeskewltoy » Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:53 am

jondee86 wrote:
I liked the idea of supercharging and noticed that it was making
a comeback on some pretty upmarket Euro and US cars. And then I started
reading about the supercharger kits that were coming out for the BZR/Scion
and Mini Cooper upgrades... and other applications such as...

More efficient than Rootes type blowers, self-contained oiling system, and
can be used without an intercooler. I liked the concept and started investigating
to see if one of these could be made to fit under the hood of an AE86.



:geek: I'd like to hear more about these S/C's.... I like self contained... I like ability to not NEED an intercooler @ lower boosts... Whom might the manufacturer be??
OST Cyl head porting, - viewtopic.php?f=22&t=300

Building a great engine takes knowing the end... before you begin :ugeek:

Enjoy Life... its the only one you get!

User avatar
jondee86
Moderator
Posts: 2907
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:21 pm
Location: Wellington, New Zealand

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby jondee86 » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:36 pm

oldeskewltoy wrote:Whom might the manufacturer be??

More information added in post #2...

Cheers... jondee86
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
depends on the unreasonable man.

User avatar
Grant
Club4AG Expert
Posts: 407
Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:42 pm
Location: Upstate New York

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby Grant » Sat Apr 30, 2016 5:13 pm

Oh wow this is going to be an interesting and unique build, and I'm guessing one that will be done right. ;)
Looking forward to seeing more...

User avatar
jondee86
Moderator
Posts: 2907
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:21 pm
Location: Wellington, New Zealand

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby jondee86 » Sun May 01, 2016 1:59 am

Grant wrote:Oh wow this is going to be an interesting and unique build, and I'm guessing one
that will be done right. ;) Looking forward to seeing more...

Thanks Grant. The biggest problem with something like this project is to
tread the fine line between making it good enough to do the job without
spending crazy money on a non-race build.

I'm trying to anticipate where the weaknesses will be, and eliminate them
at the construction stage, rather than have stuff break further down the line.
Dang... I don't even know if I am going to be able to fit everything in the
little bit of space I have in the engine bay... measuring stuff by eye and
trying to visualise where hoses and tubes will run is a bit hit and miss :)

But that is part of the fun... putting the time in and hoping that it will all
turn out OK once it is installed.

Cheers... jondee86
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
depends on the unreasonable man.

Caccomando
Club4AG Enthusiast
Posts: 96
Joined: Sat Aug 15, 2015 6:57 pm

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby Caccomando » Sun May 01, 2016 4:59 pm

:) So awesome to see some fresh content up on the forum. Extremely envious of this, I am hunting for a 4age at the moment.
I know you know this platform extremely well so im sure this will be a great follow!

jinx
Club4AG Expert
Posts: 334
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:20 pm

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby jinx » Sun May 01, 2016 7:42 pm

I think "mr2swift" been working with those superchargers on 4AG from years ago. Lotsa 4/7AG supercharging experience
You may still find a million posts on the subject
http://mr2swift.webs.com/
http://www.mr2.com/forums/threads/94582-Twinscrew-kit
http://www.mr2oc.com/56-supercharger-tu ... -dyno.html

Miata forums had enough extremely useful 1.6/1.8 info to blow a gasket (older threads)
I've always been intrigued by supercharging, extracting torque from these puny little motors
I'll start with a map gze in my kp61 starlet.... evolving to a stock rod 7agze, sc blowing thru a conventional intake

I posted a stock miata 1.8L junkyard build, running a used M90 (plentiful on buick 3800)... blowthru starion intercooler
Ran 12.75 qUarters on street tires, thru a very quiet 3" o.d. SUV junkyard muffler.... with room for improvement
Amazing performance for a torquey small displacement motor. I'd target that as a baseline, and see where it ends up

jinx
Club4AG Expert
Posts: 334
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:20 pm

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby jinx » Sun May 01, 2016 7:49 pm

our starion clubmembers been grinding 15 pounds off our stock 36 pound flywheels forever
I suppose one must be sure of what they're doing - safely

User avatar
jondee86
Moderator
Posts: 2907
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:21 pm
Location: Wellington, New Zealand

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby jondee86 » Sun May 01, 2016 10:30 pm

jinx wrote:Our starion clubmembers been grinding 15 pounds off our stock 36 pound flywheels forever
I suppose one must be sure of what they're doing - safely

The internet is a wonderful thing for filling folks heads with misinformation,
unproven theories and miscellaneous BS. People will accept what they read as truth
without question, examination of the facts or even the most basic understanding of
the garbage they are being fed.

Yes, there probably was some guy who had a flywheel explode somewhere in the
world for some reason. And the flywheel may have been lightened... from this the
naysayers, doom merchants, aftermarket parts pimps and some guy who read it on
the internet will tell you that lightening your flywheel is sure to make your legs look
like they went thru a wood chipper.

You know and I know that a properly lightened flywheel is no more dangerous than
the stock flywheel before it was lightened. Heck, I have one in my own car. But
telling a story about exploding flywheels cutting people in half gets more attention
when having a bench racing session in a bar... or spreading internet myths :)

Cheers... jondee86
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
depends on the unreasonable man.

User avatar
jondee86
Moderator
Posts: 2907
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:21 pm
Location: Wellington, New Zealand

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby jondee86 » Sun May 01, 2016 10:43 pm

jinx wrote:I think "mr2swift" been working with those superchargers on 4AG from years ago.

Yes, he started off with the Autorotor twinscrew and has now changed
to the Sprintex. He is sandwiching the charger into the cramped engine bay
of the AW11, which makes my AE86 engine bay look like a basketball court
in comparison :)

Right now there is a lot of interest in supercharging, and a lot of US companies
marketing kits for USDM cars. There is a kind of arm wrestling match going on
between the positive displacement blower makers and the centrifugal blower
makers, to see who can post the highest numbers. And as you say, there are
countless DIY installs of junkyard blowers onto smaller displacement engines.

I have chosen to go my own route on this build, to solve the issues and learn
for myself what it takes to get this off the ground.

Cheers... jondee86
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
depends on the unreasonable man.

User avatar
jondee86
Moderator
Posts: 2907
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:21 pm
Location: Wellington, New Zealand

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby jondee86 » Mon May 02, 2016 1:10 am

Added a bit more to posts #3 and #4...

Cheers... jondee86
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
depends on the unreasonable man.

User avatar
Jeonsah
Club4AG Expert
Posts: 455
Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:44 pm

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby Jeonsah » Mon May 02, 2016 11:59 am

Dope! Cant wait to read more of this. Good luck with your build!

User avatar
jondee86
Moderator
Posts: 2907
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:21 pm
Location: Wellington, New Zealand

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby jondee86 » Tue May 03, 2016 11:27 pm

Few more details added in post #4. That brings this build thread up to date,
and there will only be a few minor updates until the real job of installing the
supercharger gets underway :)

Cheers... jondee86
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
depends on the unreasonable man.

Deuce Cam
Posts: 1346
Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2013 2:41 pm
Location: AZ

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby Deuce Cam » Thu May 05, 2016 3:06 pm

Looks great. Looking forward to seeing more.

User avatar
grappletech
Club4AG Expert
Posts: 344
Joined: Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:13 pm

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby grappletech » Fri May 06, 2016 8:28 pm

This thing is ridiculously cool, Its nothing like seeing one off builds
87 GTS Coupe stock and Super Duper Clean
87 GTS Coupe Beams 3sge (under construction cuz I'm slow and lazy and broke-FML)
87 SR5 Coupe Shell. (Sold)
86 SR5 Hatch Shell
86 GT-SR5 Coupe 20v Swap

trigun402
Club4AG Enthusiast
Posts: 98
Joined: Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:53 pm
Location: Nebraska

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby trigun402 » Mon May 09, 2016 6:18 am

This build is so cool. Keep on the awesome work jondee86!

User avatar
jondee86
Moderator
Posts: 2907
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:21 pm
Location: Wellington, New Zealand

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby jondee86 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:06 am

Have the block back from the machine shop, so I I have started assembling
the engine ready to do the final mockup with the supercharger. Then it will
get stripped back to go into the car as a low-compression N.A. engine for
break-in and checking for leaks etc.

When that's done the car will be parked up to add all the boost related parts
and wire in a new aftermarket ECU. That will take a while, but we are getting
into the middle of winter here, so I'll have a bit of time to get the job done :)

A few new pics added in the first post.

Cheers... jondee86
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
depends on the unreasonable man.

User avatar
jondee86
Moderator
Posts: 2907
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:21 pm
Location: Wellington, New Zealand

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby jondee86 » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:31 am

Had to slot a few holes to get the drive belt lining up correctly. Put that down
to eyeballing measurements and/or some bad maths along the way. Sorted out
now and tracking down drive belts with the correct length.

Check list @ 7 November
- Fix belt alignment... DONE
- Measure and order belts... DONE
- Make bracket for throttle cable... DONE
- Figure out how to plumb bypass valve
- Figure out how to plumb ISCV... DONE
- Make boss for new IAT sensor... DONE
- Get last lot of welding done... DONE
- Order new ECU and 2 metre harness... DONE
- N.A. Engine break in... DONE
- Make harness and install ECU... about to start :)
- Install W/I system
- Install boost gauge :lol:

It'll take a few weeks to get the new ECU installed, and then a few more weeks
to get a N.A. base tune done. Once that is completed I'll be and ready to start
the supercharger installation.

Cheers... jondee86
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
depends on the unreasonable man.

User avatar
jondee86
Moderator
Posts: 2907
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:21 pm
Location: Wellington, New Zealand

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby jondee86 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 12:50 am

Been checking a few measurements while waiting for small bits and pieces to arrive.
Looks like I won't have enough room to fit the ducting as it sits right now, so I shall
have to re-make a couple of pieces. Bit of a nuisance, but better to find out now
when there is time to fix the problem, rather than later when I am trying to make
it all fit.

On the up side, I think that I have figured out a place to put the bypass valve :)

Cheers... jondee86

PS: Got a couple of double posts above. Not too sure how that comes about ? When
I can figure out a way to delete them I'll get it done !!
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
depends on the unreasonable man.

Caccomando
Club4AG Enthusiast
Posts: 96
Joined: Sat Aug 15, 2015 6:57 pm

Re: Gonna start a build and see where it goes :-P

Postby Caccomando » Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:25 pm

Looking forward to pics!